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Old 05-09-2008, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Foolosophy View Post
There wouldnt be a single independent thinker or non-bought academic that would class the USA system as democratic.

You can argue all you like but you have a responsibility to be honest about what the words "democracy" and "freedom" mean and how they are defined in practise.

The USA is a Plutocratically based Oligarchy that funnels almost all of its power and welath through an undemocratic private coroporation system that is propped up by tax payers funds and favourable legisaltion that locks out the public from having a say. These sorts of systems are NOT democratic.

Dont feel deluded or ashamed about this fact - there are no actual democracies in operation in the world today. You can bang your head up against the wall all you like but this is a fact - research it honestly and diligently and you will discover this universal axiom for yourself.

And when you do you may be able to make a difference in your country!
If by independent thinker you mean liberal, then yeah.

I repeat, the US is not a classical Greek democracy where everybody votes on everything. The country is to big for that to work or to protect the freedom of the people themselves. Face it, majority rule does not always guarantee freedom. That is why, with the signing of the Constitution, we have come to define democracy as the Federalist system proposed by the founding fathers and whose logical support for you will find in The Federalist Papers, by Madison, Hamilton, and Jay.

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Next thing you will be saying is that the US economy is a free market place and democratic
The US economy is mostly a free market place, with the exception of natural monopolies, which are still included in a free market place as we define it. The US is democratic by the standards that we use the word, though it is becoming less democratic as the government gets more powerful.
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