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Really. Other sources say different. For example.
http://www.2asisters.org/news/australia.htm
"Dear Mr Owen
The 1996 national gun laws have been shown in research to have significantly reduced the level of gun related crime in this country." |
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The 1996 national gun laws have been shown in research to have significantly reduced the level of gun related crime in this country. The number of offences where a gun has been used has decreased significantly. Guns were used in 18.6% of armed robberies in 1998-99, compared with 26.8% the year before.
As a result of the national gun laws 640,000 guns were collected and destroyed. It is not only murder rates that have fallen, but all firearm related deaths. Total firearm related deaths in Australia fell from 523 in 1996 to 328 in 1998.
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In the face of the facts, Owen begins the name calling you highlighted.
Some debate there.
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So you don't care that only the numbers of suicides by firearm dropped, but the total number of suicides did not?
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Prove that this is the case.
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You only care if someone kills themselves with a gun? That is pretty ignorant.
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No. I haven't said that. Prove that suicides haven't gone down.
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It does not take a genius to figure this one out. It is not somuch race as it is racial divide, demographics and many more. I do not have time to explain everything to you.
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You don't have time? You're saying it's other factors than the massive availability of guns. I'm merely asking your actual factors beyond racist's rhetoric.
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Once again you missed my point. In the past you used the argument that the last terrorist attack on the US had been more than 8 years before 911 so the 8 years without one meant nothing. As it had been more than 10 years before the rush of mass shootings 10 years means nothing.
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What? I never argued that.
It's not just the 10 years. They've always had stricter gun laws. They've always had less gun deaths.
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The statistics do not match your claim sir.
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You make a lot of claims that you never "have time" to back up with facts.
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I like to see it as a tool to protect. But I actually understand weapons.
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hahaha... I understand that country's with stricter gun laws have less crime, and accidents, involving guns.
It doesn't take a genius to understand if criminals can easily purchase weapons, they will use them.
If it is harder for them to get them, it will be harder for them to commit crime.
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Thanks for the link, but it is pretty dated (Published: April 9, 1997, actually). There are more restrictions. If you can not legally purchase a weapon in one state, you can not do so in another state.
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I just googled very quickly.
Here's an atf study. Check page 12
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...80227_GUNS.pdf
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So you say it is ok that I own guns just so long as I do not collect them?
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No. I'm saying if you want to collect guns, it's not unreasonable to limit the number of guns you can purchase at one time.
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Doesn't make much sense. The only people that will be abiding by that law are the lawful. It does nothing for criminals.
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Gun smugglers are often those without criminal records, and they simply go to gun shows and corrupt dealers, where they buy in bulk and sell individually.
It's really a minor inconvenience, and it would stop the gun trade.
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So what I have in my home becomes part of public record? No thanks. What is mine, is mine.
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What you have in your driveway is a part of public record.
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You do not need a license to own a car. Driving a car is a privilege. Owning and using firearms is a right.
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Only for the purpose of a well-regulated militia.
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But anyway. Does having a license to drive a car lower the number of deaths by DUI? Nope. Because criminals do not obey the law.
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What it would do would allow North Carolina to enjoy it's violent crime rate, while not being a stop for gun smugglers who want to sell them in my city.
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Total crime which includes non violent is higher here. Violent crime is not.
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Those are violent crime rates. North Carolina's is higher.