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The only debate is that Olsen intentionally uses false numbers.
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*yawn* and the official study I cited earlier.
It's a big left-wing conspiracy...
I never claimed that they did.
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Are you calling me a racist? That is far from true. What I said is racial divide. Not race itself.
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That would make sense if we were in some sort of sectarian race war, which we're not.
You said factors.
We have race, and "racial divisions"
What else?
It's not like our rates are just a little higher, they're A LOT higher...
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And yet gun crime continues to rise in that country even though they got rid of the guns.
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As usual, you're claiming things without proof.
I am sorry. I have posted it so many times that I figured it was common knowledge now. Ok.
Gun related crime is on the increase in Australia even though they have very strict gun laws.
http://www.nraila.org/issues/factshe...d=30&issue=015
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The NRA doesn't cite their sources with links. Imagine that.
The article concedes the argument they're pushing contradicts the state departments stats.
If that sounds familiar, it's because it's just Rupert Murdoch in another country.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...816939675.html
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Crime across the state is either stable or declining, according to the latest crime statistics,
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hahaha
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Rifles are only used in 2% of crimes.
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So what? What percent of crimes were they used in before the stricter laws??
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So once again, you only care if the crime involves guns?
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No, but we have higher rates of violent crimes, particularly gun crimes. Guns make crimes easier. You claim to understand bad guys, but, I think it's pretty clear to anybody that's played Grand Theft Auto that you can rob a bank a lot easier with a QBZ95 than a molotov cocktail.
I would respect your position, one of a responsible person who simply enjoys guns, if you would just concede there is clearly a correlation between gun-availability and gun crime.
The consequence unwaivering, unlistening gun-lust is higher gun deaths.
That's the fact.
I'm not saying YOU should give up your guns. I'm saying if you have the government can make you take a test to drive, it should make you take a test to own guns.
And, people should be limited in the number of guns they can purchase at a time.
If a person can only by, I dunno, 5 guns a month, in a year, the foxhole you dug is gonna be pretty well stocked for rapture.
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No matter the restrictions you place, they will always be able to get them easier than honest people.
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Untrue. These people aren't typically aren't that smart. The easier it is to get the weapons, the more people will try.
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You can't stop a criminal from getting a gun.
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That's like saying "you can't stop crime" because their will always be crime.
You can't stop every criminal from getting a gun. You can stop most.
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If he wants one, he will get it.
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By magic?
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Even in countries where there are very strict gun laws, it is still fairly easy for them to get them.
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Another claim you cannot, or at least, won't prove.
What is special about page 12? All it has is the address and floor number.
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But maybe you should have read the disclaimer.
"Firearms selected for tracing are not chosen for purposes of determining which types, makes or models of firearms are used for illicit purposes. The firearms selected do not constitute a random sample and should not be considered representative of the larger universe of all firearms used by criminals, or any subset of that universe. Firearms are normally traced to the first retail seller, and sources reported for firearms traced do not necessarily represent the sources or methods by which in general are acquired for use in crime."
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Focus on the disclaimer, which doesn't change the findings.
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That is not constitutional. That is my problem with it.
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It's certainly constitutional. If the government can ban you from bearing nuclear arms, it can certainly slow down your gun purchases, to prevent gun running.
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Gun smugglers are criminals. Focus on them not the honest citizen.
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I'm not affecting any reasonable law abiding citizen; only crazy cooks who think people should allowed to buy and sells as many guns as they want at at anytime: you, sir, are complacent in gun smuggling
So is thinking a gun is a right.
Works in other countries.
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Not until I get a license for it is not.
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Which you have to do...
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You need to take some comprehension classes. This has been explained many times in the various gun threads. Would you like me to point you to which ones?
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I'd like you to debate with facts, instead of declaring, and repeating claims that you cannot, or have not proven.
Gun rates are lower where gun laws are stricter. I have shown you evidence of this.
I'm a moderate on the issue; I'm not trying to take your precious guns away from you.
But, I can't stop the flood of illegal guns into my town, unless you weigh your precieved right to again, to the rights of those who exploit the lax laws you support.
Why do you want to make it easier for criminals to get guns? Isn't it worth a little inconvenience for that?
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Once again. Deal with the gun smugglers. Not the honest citizens.[/quote]
You keep helping the gun smugglers. I'll be trying to stop them.
One is more likely to shoot themselves, or somebody they love than an intruder.
Good luck with that.