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Old 05-18-2008, 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by hairymarx View Post
Firstly, you falsely suggest that socialism necessarily means a return to pre-historical society. Then you claim that you are well aware of the arguments surrounding Marxism. Clearly then, your first misconception negates your claim of attributing any kind of authority to your latter claim.
This is a logical fallacy, the argument from fallacy. Try using logical claims at the very least if that is not beyond Marxists. Socialism is return to a prehistorical economic order, the classless cooperative egalitarian system.

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The reality is, is that capitalists do in fact horde food as a means of speculation. Speculation in staple foodstuffs, like speculation in property, like speculation in the money markets, is an inherent feature of capitalism, or maybe you just never noticed.
If you can name one person who has horded food as a means of speculation, then please share.

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Yes, the capitalist system is typified by the constant drive for profitable accumulation - well done. As I was at pains to point out, this doesn't mean that people are inherently greedy. I'll repeat it, just for your benefit, as it obviously still hasn't sunk into your brain. During the vast majority of time that we have spent on this planet, we survived as a result of collective and cooperative activity (130,000 years as compared to 10,000 years of class society). This means that human nature is not characterized by greed as you claim but rather it is the capitalist system itself which pre-determines the greed of some. I am clearly wasting my time communicating with you as you fail to comprehend simple logic.
Then why did people leave a classless society?
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