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Makedde · #**160** (**permalink**) 06-05-2008, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperDinoYoshi

At least labor is a natural means of ousting a baby, one that has had 6 billion years of evolution to shape, and the entire existence of medical science to perfect.

That doesn't make childbirth safer than abortion.

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Various Abortion surgeries have been shown to cause blood clots, others leave a woman incapacitated for weeks. Not to mention the psychological problems resulting from regret and/or hormone imbalances. You don't exactly walk off an abortion. Keep trying to tell us that though!

I have never denied that some women experience feelings of regret and remorse after an abortion.
So abortion can sometimes cause blood clots? Childbirth can sometimes cause hemorrage. Pregnancy can cause pre eclampsia, which can be deadly if not treated straight away.
Pregnancy and childbirth aren't exactly things you walk off, eithor.

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Originally Posted by SuperDinoYoshi

If the baby is removed and can live on its own, tough. You can't kill a child because you don't want it anymore (yet) Besides, you act like Abortion isn't surgery.

I never said abortion isn't surgery. It is one of the most commonly performed surgeries in the world today, no more dangerous than having your appendix out. Or a tooth pulled.

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Originally Posted by SuperDinoYoshi

With medical science where it is today, the chance of the death of a healthy mother delivering a healthy baby in a hospital is negligible. I guess if you can't get to a hospital the risks go up, and that's where the "convenience" of an abortion lies.

You would be wrong. There are many, many things that can go wrong during pregnancy, or during labor. This isn't negligence.

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No, but you can't complain about alternatives to an abortion because they have side-effects. Abortion has risks too.

Not so many risks as childbirth, though.

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But abortion is killing the child regardless of its ability to live on its own.

Whether it can live on it's own is not the point. Whether you like it or not, the woman has the authority to choose. Aborting a fetus that could survive on it's own would be a late term abortion. Late term abortions are very rare. Pro lifers would have us believe they occur everyday, and they don't. 95% of abortions are performed in the first twelve weeks, the others, late term abortions, are usually performed due to a risk to the mother, or fetal defect.

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So it'd be easier to just kill someone than give them medical care? Okay, but I vote you have to be the one to explain that to diabetics.

Oh please. You are putting words in my mouth. Lets stick to what I have said, okay?

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Originally Posted by SuperDinoYoshi

I'm American, therefore I'm okay with the death penalty? Your logic is flawless. Even if I did support it, at least those killed in the death penalty killed people, you are supporting the means of death for innocent babies.

I am always amused by pro lifers who support the death penalty.
So I take it a fetus is worth a lot more than an actual 'born' person?
Here's a story for you: A woman is pregnant, she wants to abort, but you change her mind, telling her she'd be killing her baby if she did, and that child has a right to life. She has the baby, and suddenly you don't care about that child anymore. Why should you? It's been born, and that is all that matters. You don't need to trouble yourself with that child anymore. Time passes, the child grows up and commits murder. Suddenly, you are wanting to see that person executed for their crimes.

See the point here? Pro lifers only care about the fetus when it is inside the mother. Once it is born, they don't give a crap.

If you believe in the right to life, you believe in the right to ALL life. No matter if someone has commited a crime. All life is valuble, and the location of that fetus/person should not be an issue.