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Old 09-01-2004, 05:35 PM
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Again I ask your age in reference to the name calling....Billy Bob, come on grow up and get through the 5th grade already.....If you would like to continue to try to debate your stance, try doing as a mature adult.

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But if you even just think that war itself is a "necessary evil" and "always has been and always will" and then use that as an excuse for waging a war of aggression against a much smaller country that had not attacked us then I still think you are a little sick in the head.
I say that because it is realistic. You can live in your quite fluffy little world, and hug all the trees you want. Take a long realistic look at the world and it's history, better yet read up on the history of man. You will clearly see that it (war) has been prevalent from the start. How would you propose we defend ourselves if we are invaded, you could throw your little stuffed animals at them, as they take you from your house.
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....against a much smaller country....
What does that have to do with anything. Does a country's size determine is ability to invade other countries?
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This was proved after the invasion to be totally false.
Thank you for making my point. See I told you it was easy. I quote, "...proved AFTER the invasion..." if you have a crystal ball that can see into the future...
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Just what you think this quote proves is rather obscure.
Here, I will help you.... the point I made was the fact that even Kerry was in favor of going to war. There is that better, need me to hold your hand anymore.
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After the first Gulf War, sanctions and weapons inspections removed these weapons from their arsenal.
If this were true, and Saddam had not acquired any WMD, then why would he refuse the U.N. inspections? Why was he in material breech of U.N. resolutions for 13 years?
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He lied to justify an illegal, immoral and unjust war and he should rightly be impeached for even just that crime(one of many).
Illegal, Saddam was in material breech of U.N. resolutions. Immoral, the removing of a genocidal maniac is immoral? Unjust, freeing people from a sadistic dictator is unjust, enforcing U.N. resolutions is unjust, shall I continue?
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Iraq had chemical weapons(that our government sold them)
It is true that the U.S. helped Saddam in his war against Iran, that was then. I am not about to claim that I know all the intricacies of the foreign policy of the administrations since Nixon. As we have seen over the years, alliances change.
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Congress was duped with fake intelligence about a non-existant immanent threat and still many opposed the rush to war without international consensus and support.
Again, the evidence that was presented to Congress was collected LONG BEFORE Bush was even in office. Non-existant immanent threat, what do you consider "immanent" Iraqi soldiers landing at Ellis Island? What about the unprovoked attack on Saudi Arabia by Saddam? What about the fact that Saddam was trying to gain complete control of all the oil in the Middle East? Hitler had world domination dreams too.
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without international consensus and support.
I hope you are not refering to the U.N. The same corupt organization that ALLOWED Saddam to REMAIN in material breech of U.N. resolutions for 13 years? Or are you refering to the French and Germans that were buying Iraqi oil on the black market?
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That's right, bb, Saddam was not the immanent threat to the US that was used as a rationale for the war. He had no stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons and no active nuclear weapons program. he had no connection with Al Quida or the attack on 9/11. That you believe otherwise is a real tribute to Bush's use of the "Big Lie" technique and the FauxNews propaganda mill.
If you believe that the Iraqi war was in response to the attacks on September 11th, then you are very misinformed. The Iraq war is, just like Afganistain, a war against terrorist, period. Saddam was a terrorist, if you do not believe Saddam was a terrorist, then you truely need to think outside the box.
I will continue this later.....
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