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17 | 56.67% |
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13 | 43.33% |
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I voted YES, on CONDITION that they cite reasons for putting the expulsion of the president to a vote; that show he's in violation of laws governing office; as Kucinich has done.
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The violations of the US Constitution by the Bush adminstration are very easy to prove and there would be no doubt about his guilt. The problem would be the same as with Clinton except it would be the Republicans this time violating the oath they take to judge the evidence of the case as opposed to voting based upon political agendas. When will our elected members of Congress take their oath to defend and uphold the Constitution seriously?
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Bill having to go home to Hillary would have been punishment enough in my opinion, find something more worthy to impeach him on than lying about an affair. Finally, who determines whether an offense is impeachable or not? According to Wikipedia, it's Congress: "In the United States, impeachment can occur both at the federal and state level. The Constitution defines impeachment at the federal level and limits impeachment to "The President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United States" who may only be impeached and removed for "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors." [2]. Several commentators have suggested that Congress alone may decide for itself what constitutes an impeachable offense." Though if the President was discovered to be a sexual predator I would hope that Congress would remove him, regardless of party affiliation. |
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Shiva, don't hold your breath.
As to what constitutes an impeachable-offense: imho, it is the Congress that determines what's impeachable. The constitution says that the president MUST be removed if convicted of high-crimes. It doesn't say a president can't be removed for lesser crimes. The Constitution really doesn't allow the president to defy a 2/3 Senate vote for removal, regardless of the reasons -though in-theory, I suppose, the Supreme Court could rule a removal unconstitutional. The case would have to be extremely frivolous for that to happen, though, and the president very popular -in which case you wouldn't get the 2/3 majority anyway, so that would never happen. Btw, concerning the cost of Impeachment: I've heard it's costly, but I don't think it is, really -unless you mean costly in time and labor. You'd have to gather the evidence, and present it, and while hearings continue it detracts from the time Congress has for passing legislation, which (though it might be costly to some people) I wouldn't consider a drawback. Last edited by Carrot; 11-17-2008 at 04:23 PM. |
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I believe that commiting a felony, any felony, is justification for removal from office. If the President can commit a felony and get away with then what happens to the 14th Amendment that requires equal protection under the law. Can anyone now commit perjury and obstruction of justice without fear of prosecution? Why should an average Joe be convicted while a President goes free of any punishment?
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This is so flawed I'm shocked that it has gotten as many votes in the poll as it has. I could see reducing the President's power, but giving congress the ability to remove him through majority vote is a dumb idea plan and simple. It might actually work too well and render the presidency nearly powerless to congressional whims.
The Lewinski scandal is proof of that this wouldn't work. Clinton had a 60% approval rating or higher at the time and only 1/3 of Americans supported the impeachment measure. Nonetheless due to partisanship the Republicans still went on with the impeachment. Clearly partisan politics have gotten to the point where at least one party is more then willing to remove a president of the opposite party over even the smallest of transgressions for shear partisan reasons. This would not work. Last edited by rodog; 11-17-2008 at 04:50 PM. |
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As for the part in red I know that, I was just trying to frame the situation so you could see my point of view. Can't have Bill committing murder because then the jury would have had a valid reason to sentence him to life in prison regardless of the perjury charge. |
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In any case,in this age of hidden agendas (and PORK), latched onto the bellies of otherwise good legislation like leeches, the LINE ITEM VETO is a valuable tool that our elected Chief Executive could use to protect our interests from the Games on the Hill.
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