We can see a lot of immigrants in the richest countries of Europe. What do you think about this situation? Is it a good solution to help African and Asian people in your opinion? If not, have you another, own idea? What do you think about effects of that?

...I invite to start a discussion...thanks for your activity...

I can tell you something about this.
Basically, italy, IS the country for illegal enter of immigrants in italy. At this time I will not enter the details of things like effect and social matter about it. Just give you some opinion how this can be:

Pratical matter
1. As penisula, Italy, had a lot of coasts. Too much to control efficiently
2. Lacks of control: yes, my country is well know for this.. and that's sadly truth

Social matter
3. Italy, for it's last century was a land of emigration. Italians who stay here (and all out of there) had a different point of view of immigration. People who heard about xenophobic party "Nothen League" may not belive it. But that's truth... many italians had a brother, uncle or friend wich left our nation.

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<-- Where us, Italians, see understand and judge our politicians (since we can't in our own country)

Firstly, I want to say that in my last post I wrote about legal immigration, not illegal.

Of course, we can't stop all immigration of people who don't want to take European culture, but we can and must ( in my opinion ), block it as much as we can...multiculturalism is the way to many problems with racial and ethnic background.

I think that migration isn't bad - it was, it is and it will be a part of our (humans) live, but apart from Gypses and another nomadic nations, immigrants took a culture from coutries, which they arrived in.

...but nowadays a lot of immigrants ( for example in France or south USA ) live in separated districts, they develop their culture instead of assimilate with aboriginal society - it is unacceptable.

Since birth rates among native Europeans have dropped below replacement levels, in order to sustain any sort of standard of living, SOMEBODY has to do the work to sustain it. Right now, there are two options -- either increase the birth rates to at least replacement level or accept immigrants.

Along with the latter option comes the realization that if trends continue, Italy will no longer be Italy or France French as you have all come to know them if you keep to a multiculturalist approach that preserves distinctness and encourages separation and the creation of different standards for different people. Only through abandoning the notions of multiculturalism and embracing a melting pot approach, instead, can you hope to integrate all the disparate populations immigrating to your countries and preserve a sense of stability.

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no problem if immigration is legitimate and immigrants integrate with local culture and society, and if they work and respect the law.. illegal immigration is usually the problem

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This change totally the settings.
Legal immigration is something a bit different.
While in illegal immigration you had, mostly, despair: people in escaping for very bad situation (wich didn't include just poverty.. but war and persecution for example). Illegal immigration is mostly a people that need to run away very quickly: no time, no choice.. the first place "approachable" is your destination.
Total differently is the legal emigration: a legal immigrant, often, need to carry out all the bureaucracy. Someone which already know where he/she's going and had all the paper requiring for the boarding country: plus he/she (the immigrant) did choice firstly.
I think this make a great difference: if the laws were respected, any country (aimed by too much immigration) can just become more selective.

The problem is the illegal immigration: when governments choices fails.

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Warn: *Very bad english above*
"Fascism describes itself as third way between liberal capitalism and Marxist communism"
I am for right-winged politic because I am anti-fascist. If I were fascist, I'll belive myself as half-communist.
---> I live in the only country where the dictatorship needed to legalize itself
<-- Where us, Italians, see understand and judge our politicians (since we can't in our own country)

In my opinion legal immigration is also a problem...

European culture is different from Asian, African or Arabic cultures. Humans aren't computers or any, another type of machines - they are only a more intelligent animals who have a lot of instincts and prejudices. In short, we aren't perfect and we won't. Law has to regulate our relations, but i see that a lot of left-wing politicans have treted it as a tool to create superhuman.

That's enough with theory...just look at support level of France nationalist - Le Pen. Four years ago, he got in to the second round of presidential elections.

Last time, in western countires of Europe we could have noticed increase of aversion to foreigner citizens.

In India, native people have attaced Christian citizens without any, concrete reaction from government.

In the World are thousands similar examples...and we have to remember that it ( situation ) has happend nowadays - in times with a lot of peace treaties and international law and relatively good economy situation without last crisis.

Any disorder with economy, ideological or religious background can turn on social darwinism ( do you remember situation in Third Reich ( Jew and Arian ), Yugoslavia ( Arabian and Orthodox ) Iraq ( Shiite and Sunnite ) or fights between African tribes ? ).

These examples show, that ethnic character of coutries is an interesting idea.

...about procreation... it isn't a problem...just some concrete, economy reforms are able to change that situation to better.

...and I don't mind to help Africa - it's a necessity but I think that is better to fight with reasons, not effects of that, patological situation.

What do you think about introduce an effectively reforms in African coutires to help them with modernisation their OWN coutries?

exactly, you can't bring all of the third world to europe and expect them to morph in to hardworking respectable citizens on the 8 hour plane ride. Obviously when they come from their countries they will bring their culture. This will not help the 3rd world but only hurt the first.

Immigration continues to bring benefits. To illustrate the effects, I'd refer to Coyle (2005, The Economic Case for Immigration, Economic Affairs, Vol 25, pp 53-55):

Immigration into the UK has increased in response to high labour demand in the recent past. This additional supply of labour has helped keep interest rates lower, and growth higher, than they might have been otherwise. The longer-term impact of higher immigration may be an increase in trend productivity growth. Although the evidence on such long-term economic effects is incomplete, there is no reason to believe market principles or fundamental freedoms are any less relevant when it comes to flows of people rather than goods or capital.

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The benefits of immigration:
Norway
Foreign men where the rapists in 53% cases in 2001 63.2 in 2004 and 72.8 in 2007.
African men where 10 percent of the racists in 2001, 19.1 in 2004 and 30.5 in 2007.
73 percent of victims where of Norwegian background.
http://www.politi.no/pls/idesk/docs/...tioslo2007.pdf

Sweden
- Rapist 4 times more likely to be born abroad then in Sweden
http://www.barossa-region.org/Austra...gh-EUROPE.html

Unfortunately most European countries do not keep statistics of crime by race to protect immigrants from racism because that is obviously more important then protecting women from rape.

Your little book is right the evidence on such long term economic effects is not complete. And people unlike goods or capital come with their own cultures, beliefs and ideas so you cannot just throw them together in one storage room or chaos will occur.