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As much as i prefer not to have bush as pres, if another country came in and took him out and tried to put their "choice" in power, i would be pretty fighting mad.
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Then I guess you were pretty mad at Saddam Hussein back in 1992. He actually tried to do part of what you are talking about. He and his sons arranged a failed attempt to assassinate the first President Bush!
So, perhaps we SHOULD have been "pretty fighting mad"!! I know I was.
Tell me again why we shouldn't have gone in to take out Hussein?
On the other subject here. Bunches of you folks are throwing around all kinds of civilian casualty counts.
What I would like to see is you define the word "Civilian"! To you, (and these so called Anti-War groups) is it any Iraqi NOT in a military uniform?? If so, then that makes all of the members of these terrorist groups, misnamed "Militias" and "God's Armies", civilians!! So by your count, there are NO Iraqi terrorists, murderers, fighters? Everyone over there is a civilian? Even those using rocket propelled grenades and Klashnikov weapons?
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Although it is not a current event, we cannot forget that we helped hussein get to where he ended up, plain and simple.And why did saddam want to assassinate FORMER pres bush? Why didn't he want to take out clinton?
A person is an civilian if they are not part of any army, militia or whatever you want to call it. This should make it easy to get "body counts" of civilians. BUT why do you seem to think that trying to defend your country is a bad thing? What if someone didn't like hussein but doesn't like the war either? Just their tough luck?
How do you presume to judge me as self decieving when you don't know me?I thought the premise of the board was to get opinions and maybe information, i'm not worried about being right or wrong. i think it would be best to stick to the conversation and leave personal judgements out of it. Thank you. |
Your own words label you as "self deceiving". Example:
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we cannot forget that we helped hussein get to where he ended up, plain and simple
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"WE", the U.S., did nothing of the sort. We gave intelligence reports to Iraq during the Iran/Iraq war. We gave insignificant materiel support to Iraq, compared to the massive amounts of weaponry and funding from others, such as thew Soviet Union and France.
Our minimal support of Iraq,
AFTER Saddam Hussein was entrenched in power, was very understandable considering Iran had become our enemy after kidnapping our embassy officials and holding them for 444 days!
So the label "Self Deceiving" is born of your own statements, obviating a need to "Know you".
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A person is an civilian if they are not part of any army, militia or whatever you want to call it.
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And just how do you distinguish among the dead when all are wearing the same civilian clothing? And also, since it has been reported that MOST Iraqis own weapons, having a dead hand wrapped around a rifle certainly isn't a sure evidence of membership in a Terrorist Militia. So these "Humanitarian Groups" simply count ALL Iraqis dead as "civilians". That is a good reason to discount their tallies.
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i'm not worried about being right or wrong.
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pretty well defines your attitude. So, since you aren't worried about being "right or wrong", does that mean we should take your statements with a grain of salt?
By the way. These terrorist groups,
murdering their own citizens indiscriminately, are not "defending their country! They are fighting to assume power themselves over their fellow Iraqis. Otherwise why would they murder them to "Defend" them?????????
Self deception at it's utmost!