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Old 07-08-2008, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by catzmeow View Post
Really? Is that why the Republican governor of Florida now has the same goal?

Solar IS expensive in terms of start-up costs, but over it's lifetime, the average solar system will more than pay for itself in saved utility costs. These systems last (and are guaranteed) for up to 40 YEARS. Furthermore, solar water heaters can be VERY reasonable (about $5k for installation and the system). And, your claim that it uses more energy to produce that it saves is just flat-out wrong.
It's a fraction of the cost of hybrid vehicles, which people aren't exactly moving to en masse. Despite tax credits. Now solar has a payback period of several years. At the time Carter was Prez it used more energy than it saved. Link provided to back that.

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If this nation had followed Carter's plan, it's entirely possible that we would not have had to intervene in the middle east starting in 2002 because we would have removed petroleum profits from the hands of those who most strongly support Islamic terror groups.
I think it's as possible as Middle East peace. I think there is a zero chance that Carter's plan would have had anything but a minimal impact.

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Something to think about.

I don't get why so many republicans have a knee-jerk reaction to these types of discussions without considering that until we stop our unhealthy reliance upon petroleum, we can't possibly hope to have any kind of club to wield effectively in the middle east aside from the blood of our service personnel.

And, i'm saying this as a person who supports the war, but wish it had been unnecessary.
R's agree we need to give up reliance on foreign oil. They just don't agree with D's on how we go about it.
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All you need to know about the energy crisis:
ANWR Exploration Republicans: 91% Supported. Democrats: 86% Opposed.
Coal-to-liquid R's: 90% YES. D's: 78% NO.
Oil Shale Exploration R's: 90% YES. D's: 86% NO.
Outer Continental Shelf Exploration R's: 81% YES. D's: 83% NO.
Increased Refinery Capacity R's: 97% YES. D's: 96% NO

SUMMARY: 91% of House Republicans have historically voted to increase the production of America’s own oil and gas. 86% of House Democrats have historically voted against.
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