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My initial contention is that Raina's statement is not a "Catch22". I think that is evident since there IS a path of action that would result in a resolution of the situation. So this doesn't match Alan Arkin's unresovable problem back in 1970. 
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War in essence is a Catch22 in my opinion, but I'll keep that to myself, as I can see, you don't see my point of view on this.
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I think that I could live with your statement, as long as expanding your reasons behind it did not violate any of my own reasons for us to be there.
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I won't go into detail, but I would like to stress that I am not for pulling out of this war until the peace is restored, and I don't dissagree that Saddam should have been removed from power.
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Considering the situation over there right now, I have GOT to agree with this statement.
The subsequent phrase pertaining to whether the war was "warranted" at this time is still debatable I think. I am open to both yes and no, depending on expansion of the definition of the phrase.
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The reason I stated that the war was not warranted, is based on my thinking that there was never a direct threat to our nation from Iraq. They did not attack us, and thus there was no real reason to begin the war the way we did, in my opinion of course.
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I would change your word "No" to "a substantially flawed" and then agree with you wholeheartedly!!
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No, no...you are right. I shouldn't have said we went there with no plan for peace or a plan for getting out. I'm sure that we had a plan going in, but I wonder as to how realistic the vision was...if it was anywhere close to how realistic the cost was, I think we were doomed from the start.
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I disagree with the use of "Pseudo-Response". I think it is a BIG PICTURE element of our response to terrorism. I believe that the war has a significant effect on the thinking of governments around the world, such as Libya and Syria who have actively supported Terrorism.
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I stand firm on this point. I honestly feel that Bush used Terrorism, and 9/11 to provide a need for this war in Iraq even though they had nothing to do with 9/11 or any terrorist attack toward the US. I don't agree that it is part of a big picture, because from the beginning this war on terror and the war on Iraq were two separate issues. Bush is the one trying to tie the two together. I think that other countries might be affraid that Bush will attack them for any reason at all. I just don't agree with putting fear in countries at the cost of innocent lives is the way to go about this.
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Whether that is justification enough to have invaded Iraq when we did, I have real doubts about.
I think there is much more to it than that. But That isn't the topic of the thread right now.
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You are right, that is not the topic at hand here. I'll get off that for now.
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Amazing how two incendiary individuals, such as ourselves, can rationally discuss a subject, and even voice agreement, when "absolutes" are left out of our statements!!! I enjoy that.
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If you can believe it, I've even had moments where I agreed with Catz. Based on this weeks episodes with her and I, (which I appologize to everyone who had to suffer through reading), that would be hard to believe I'm sure. But I agree it is nice when there is at least something people can agree upon, though you and I have agreed on other issues before as I remember. I hope that there are other issues in the future.