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Originally Posted by i.beletesri
Wrong and Complete disingenuous Voodoo (which is a valid a 'theory' as Jesus or the Lightning God according to your MISdefinition).
Darwin Observed Evolution in Living creatures not from Fossils, Carbon Dating, or DNA.
Those 3 all later techniques, 'Miraculously' (if untrue) all CONFIRM his observation.
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They did not prove his theory... Theories cannot be "proved" scientifically. You can confirm them within a reasonable idea of what you perceive to be accuracy, but in no regard is that "proof." Ironically you didn't address the theory of relativity's fundamental flaws--after you yourself brought up the theory of relativity as a "proven theory." How droll. And here's another external source to drum this through. I've seen no sources from you but a snippet of your own writing which doesn't really do much for debate purposes.
ToAcorn.com Editorial - Evolution Cannot be Proven
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Originally Posted by ToAcorn.com
Evolution cannot be proven scientifically
The recent letters stating that evolution is a theory proved beyond any doubt, that it is unquestionably "a fact" and that it's capable of being tested scientifically prove its validity is untrue.
A growing number of naturalistevolutionary scientists privately question the validity of the theory. These are scientists who do not believe in design theory or creationism; they are evolutionists. To quote a few, let's start with a personal letter written by Dr. Colin Patterson, senior paleontologist at the British Museum of Natural History in London. He writes to author L. Sunderland, "It is easy enough to make up stories of how one form gave rise to another, and to find reasons why stages should be favored by natural selection. But stories are not part of science, for there is no way of putting them to the test."
This quote can be found in Sunderland's book "Master Books," page 89. By true science we mean it is testable.
The theory of gravity is testable simply by dropping a pen. We see it in action. Evolutionary theory is not able to be empirically proven. Paul Ehrlich, professor of biology, University of Stanford, writes "Our theory of evolution has become one which cannot be refuted by any possible observations. Every conceivable observation can be fitted into it. Thus it is 'outside of empirical science' but not necessarily false. No one can think of ways to test it. Ideas, either without basis or based on a few laboratory experiments carried out in extremely simplified systems, have attained currency far beyond their validity. They have become part of an evolutionary dogma accepted by most of us as part of our training." This quote is found in "Evolutionary History and Population Biology," Nature, Vol. 214, page 352.
There are a growing number of scientists who realize Darwinian-evolution is not good science (because it cannot be tested).
These two scientists believe in evolution, but they are honest enough to realize evolution is not scientific in that we can test and observe the results.
You cannot test the origin of life from nonliving matter. Yet this is the basis, this is how it all starts, (but) no one has ever seen it happen. Darwinianevolutionists (contend) that the variations we see in a species are testable and observable methods (and) proof of evolution. No one questions that variations in a species exist, but no one has observed a fish giving rise to a frog.
Richard Dawkins, an eminent Darwinian scientist, states he knows of no methodology for the genome gaining new information.
Dr. Lee Spetner, in his book "Not by Chance," states that every mutation he has seen does not add new information to the genome. It only subtracts and reduces the information in the genome. This is a big problem if we are to have descended from a simple single cell. Information had to be all contained in the cell from the beginning. Most scientists admit just getting the first living cell is a major miracle.
If you look into that issue you realize you are involved in religion
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Here's another person that puts this into context for those who apparently have yet to understand it:
The Telescope Editorial - Evolution Cannot be Proven by the Scientific Method
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Originally Posted by TheTelescope.com
This represents my personal views, not necessarily that of co-workers, and was written in my spare time for the benefit of Telescope readers interested in the issue. This material does not relate to any courses with which I am involved. It's fun-time stuff but nevertheless of importance. Thanks for considering it:
Isaac Newton did not study philosophical questions that the scientific method could not address. But publish-or-perish now plagues journals with viewpoints rather than straight facts. Students here were ridiculed for not believing in macroevolution, as though scientists witnessed life's species all descending from a bacterium.
The billions of people on earth count for only one species, as is true for all other species of life, even fruit flies! Some thought there were 40 species of fruit flies but they all can interbreed.
For 6,000 years, there have been about 100 generations of people, 6,000 of mice, and 300,000 of fruit flies that retain their identity. Bristlecone Pines produce identical offspring today even at the age of 5,000, where a mere 1,000 generations would take 5 million years. Its enormous time to come from a bacterium is inconsistent with the believed age of the earth.
It's one thing to talk of macroevolution as theory, but to teach it as "proven" and to reprimand those who don't believe it isn't scientific. Much data refute macroevolution theory (scienceagainstevolution.org). Gregor Mendel and other 1900s biologists understood the fixity of species. Today, a paper in "Nature" revealed that the human genome has had 20,000 genes, similar to some fish. Some plants have the same chromosome number as humans. DNA quantity shows no relation to biologic talent. A gene's power is the statement it writes, not the letters it uses.
Also, the Grimke sisters during the Civil War completely disproved the notion that slavery was somehow "Biblical." Their work is expert, thorough and authoritative and destroyed this view held by some in the South at that time.
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Originally Posted by i.beletesri
You also LEFT OUT a good portion of my reply
Can we say about God He is....
"... a fact as "an observation that has been repeatedly confirmed and for all practical purposes is accepted as 'true.'".."
Is God a "well tested hypothesis"?
No not even Close.
God is a Voodoo Belief. The Flying Spaghetti Monster, The Fire God, The Pink Unicorn, and lots of other Wholly MADE UP CRAP, unlike science and evolution which put the lights on over your head/have raised mankind's standard of Living Despite the Backwards Church who's done NOTHING in that respect.
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I left that portion out of my reply because it was simply personalized hearsay without external voice, support or means of conveyance to back it up. There was no source to accompany it except the biased propaganda-spewing link at the bottom which was full of judgmental words and rude things to say about "creationists."
And here's the clincher explanation:
TheBigBangToNow Editorial - Why Scientific Theories Can't be Proved Absolutely
Read that article and the ones above. Science is not "absolute." Science is a freaking guessing game, it's not designed to answer questions such as "where did we come from?" It's designed to improve human lifestyle. Inventive improvements--real life workable tools created by science, things that help humans are what science is intended for. Why do people continue to waste frivolous amounts of time and energy trying to answer impossible absolutes? Because they're not so scientific? One has to wonder... Einstein's theory of relativity was not a testable hypothesis by the way, nor is the law of gravity, nor is evolution. To prove those things, you need to be able to test them in the ultimate sense--that's "proof." And you've already seen how Einstein's theory of relativity has turned out to be flawed. It looks like your precious science isn't so stable, workable and accurate after all...
I'm a man of science myself. I love science. But I hate judgment. I hate pretentiousness. I despise it when people waste their time and effort judging each other over
NOTHING. Why the hell do you care that people choose to believe in a God? You can't disprove it. And they vastly outnumber you. The most reasonable thing to do is accept and live. But no... People don't seem to be able to do that... on either side. And it's infuriating.