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Old 12-05-2008, 03:27 AM
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Old 12-05-2008, 07:22 AM
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It wasn't done on an individual basis, it was a class assignment that was VOLUNTARY!
A voluntary assignment doesn't make it any less wrong.

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This is one of the things that irritates the hell out of me about the OP and the freakin' title of this thread.
It's blatant dishonesty and it's being used to rile people up.
Hell, I live in Texas and I've been able to go to my kid's teachers and opt them out of stuff I didn't want the school covering.
True, the Title is misleading. However, again just because it is voluntary doesn't mean it isn't wrong. The school shouldn't be covering it period.


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Now, for the love of Pete, whoever he may be, would somebody please answer the question I've asked three times now:
Would those of you who are upset still be this upset if the questions were about :"how long have you chosen to have brown hair? Why did you choose to have blue eyes? Are your parents okay with you being this tall?"
Those questions are far less aggressive in nature than the question asked or possible other questions that could have been asked. And for the record, they don't make sense.


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And no, by this I am not saying homosexuality is genetic, I am trying to discern whether folks are peeved because the school asked the students to participate in critical thinking....or because of the subject manner.
Neither. It has to do with the aggressive and unnecessary question. Any question similar regardless of subject would be knocked down. I'm like of all you. I want homosexuals to be on equal footing. So it isn't the subject manner that's pissing me off. And one of the things that frustrated me in high school was the lack of critical thinking put into the curriculum. So I'm not against critical thinking either.

I'm against certain areas being addressed in a school setting.
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Government employees teaching about sexuality, lovely.

Thought that was something parents were responsible for.
Like Sarah Palin? ..LOL
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Old 12-05-2008, 07:38 AM
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Do you have any evidence that her daughter's pregnancy wasn't planned?
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A. Its freaking English class.
B. What does being gay or straight have to do with English class.
C. Did I mention it was English class.
D. Why is it the job of a school teacher to challenge a kids lifestyle.
E. Does she have a degree in gay & straight relations.
Language is the foundation of every academic subject. English classes are far more about developing critical thinking skills that can then be applied to other subjects. Any topic has relevency in an English depending on the context of the curriculum.

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Keep the politics out of the classroom.
That's nearly impossible, not to mention unfair to the students. Politics needs to be addressed in the classroom, but the teacher must maintain a neutral position at all times.

Do you keep politics out of your classroom, Hat? If not, do you maintain a neutral attitude about politics and introduce your children to opposing points of view concerning politics? If not, I'd say your doing your children a terrible disservice.
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No you could reverse and ask the kids the questions... but those wouldnt CHALLENGE them in the same way. Those are the NORMAL arguments heard all the time....this exercize was designed to challenge the unchallenged views, ask the questions that are never asked and most dont even THINK about.
I didn't realize that was a part of the English curriculum. I have been out of school for a few years, but I didn't think it change this much.

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She isnt questioning anyones sexuality, she is questioning views on it... and challenging people to more about it.
What do you think caused your heterosexuality? - Sounds like questioning their sexuality.

This questionaire is a blatant attack on heterosexuality.

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I guess when you fail as a teacher you can always become a political activist.
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Do you have any evidence that her daughter's pregnancy wasn't planned?
And at least she is taking responsible for it and keeping it.
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And at least she is taking responsible for it and keeping it.
That really doesn't answer my question, although I saw a good deal more anti-youth bias displayed by the Right in the case of Jamie Lynn Spears.
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I didn't realize that was a part of the English curriculum. I have been out of school for a few years, but I didn't think it change this much.
Really?..you didnt study and discuss literature, debate, analyze etc?

English is not JUST GRAMMAR!

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What do you think caused your heterosexuality? - Sounds like questioning their sexuality.
But the cause of sexual orientation IS discussed all the time but we only question the origin of those who have a different orientation than hetero..so the ONE obvious question thats not asked or thought of is what causes hetero.

This gives us insight into our own assumptions...the ones we take for granted and shouldnt. They also help us realize that what ISNT said and what ISNT asked are just as present as what IS said and what IS asked.

Its also a great exercise when people object to the questions..because WHY they object means they have to analyze the question and how the use of language matters....do you really have to accept the assumptions made in a question? How do you answer a question when there is an assumption contained within that you dont agree with? How do you comprehend and respond?


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This questionaire is a blatant attack on heterosexuality.
So then you have learned something...those views towards gay folks must also be a blatent attack right?
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What do you think caused your heterosexuality? - Sounds like questioning their sexuality.
If you look at the other questions on the questionnaire (Do you hope your children are heterosexual even though it will create problems for them?), the topic seems less about attacking heterosexualtiy and more about viewing heterosexuality from the standpoint that homosexuals are often forced to view their own sexuality.
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If high school kids do not know grammar, then that is a problem of their education prior to high school.
Ninth grade curriculum in the state of Georgia for English covers parts of speech.

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Also, the questions weren't asked about any students personal sexual orientation and I agree that would not be appropriate and should be kept private. The questions were about perceptions on sexual orientation. There is nothing wrong with that topic.
The question IMHO seemed to be slanted to provoke students to believe that they are first homophobic, even if they aren't, and then to address they're feelings about their newly informed phobia.

Someone being disgusted by homosexuality isn't an issue in my opinion. I find it gross, but being hateful towards anyone for any reason is something that should be discouraged, no need for the qualifiers of sexual orientation. If you want to teach kids tolerance, teach them to be tolerant of ALL of peoples differences, not need to the reduce it down to just homosexuals.

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Heaven forbid (literally) society teaches children tolerance! What would the world come to if this "tolerance belief" spread?
Tolerance can be taught without leading questions, it can also be taught in a multitude of environments outside of public education where it would be infinitely more appropriate.

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