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Wrong wrong wrong. The surge is now in place. It's not 'done' or 'over' just because the initial phase of what the surge was accomplished [putting more troops at the local levels instead of bases]. The effects of the surge are still ongoing and being observed. Therefore, the surge is not over, the troops are still at the local levels where the surge put them.
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Try to keep up, Skippy!
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Iraq Troop Surge Ends; 150,000 Left
Wednesday, Jul. 16, 2008
(WASHINGTON) — The military surge into Iraq that began more than 18 months ago has ended. But 150,000 U.S. troops remain, as many as 15,000 more than before the buildup began.
In recent days, the 3rd Infantry Division's 2nd Brigade, the last of the five additional combat brigades sent in by President Bush last year, left the country.
Its departure marks the end of what the Pentagon calls the "surge." And it starts the 45-day evaluation period that Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, told Congress he would need to assess the security situation and determine how many more troops he could send home.
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15 of the 18 benchmarks are satisfactory. Considering the conditions involved and that only 3 were met in January, that is pretty good.
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Thousands of lives have been lost in Mr. Bush's petty little "I'm gonna git that bastid who said bad things about mah daddy!" war. How certain are you that the families of all those who have died in fulfilling Mr. Bush's
Blood For Oil plans would agree with your "pretty good" assessment?
Of course not. Tip: using undefined terms in debate is a losing strategy.
See above.
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by reason of might and war conquest, we have the right to put forth a better form of government that will allow more individual liberty and freedoms.
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No, we don't have that right. Nor does "might make right" carry any water in today's world. Want to try again?
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Violence is down. That's a pretty good measure in my opinion.
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Again with the "pretty good." Tell that to the 18 people from the OP.
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Tell me Glinda, what would your measure of success in Iraq be, now that we are there?
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Leaving.