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Old 09-23-2004, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by raytri";p=&quot View Post
To totally mangle your analogy: In a football game, at least you know what the exact score is, how much time is left on the clock, and the field position. And other than injury, unexpected outside events aren't likely to throw a wrench in things.
And in a political election we know what the speeches are, how the candidates react to current events, their stated positions on issues. Like election cycles, football games are very unpredictable. Other than injury, there are many "unexpected outside events likely to throw a wrench in things" including kick/punt returns, interceptions, fumbles, penalites, player mistakes, etc.

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A pollster trying to determine the outcome of the game wouldn't be watching the game; he'd be asking the audience who they thought was going to win. He wouldn't know the field position or exact score
Okay, now you're making a completely different analogy than what I was using. This analogy doesn't work because it's not the audience's job to determine the winner, as it is in an election. A better analogy would be polling of viewers over a season of American Idol to try to predict who the audience will vote to win at the end of the season.

I was saying that interpreting polling data is like watching a football game. While it is impossible to predict with 100% certaintly who will win the game up until the last few second, you often have a good idea based on past performance and how well the teams have been playing. Likewise, the polling "score" may go up and down with time, but you can certainly get a feel for who has the momentum, what "plays" are working, etc.

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his polling results would vary depending on which section of the stadium he polled, since he'd occasionally stray into a section crammed with fans of one side or the other. Further, he'd totally miss the opinion of the people who have left their seats to get some food or go to the bathroom.
I'm not going to say polls are completely accurate -- that's why there's a margin of error. Many polls (e.g. Zogby) correct for your problem of polling too many fans of one team over the other by weighting the scores based on actual proportions observed in the previous election. The polls that don't do this are the ones that had Bush leading by double digits, meaning their sample either had a higher proportion of Republicans than actually exists, or that there are more Republicans now than there were in 2000.

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Talk about polls for the fun of it; just don't place very much faith or importance on them. Me, I generally find talking about them a waste of time and bandwidth.
I still don't see why. They surely aren't perfect, but they're really the only way to assess how well a candidate is doing at any given time.
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