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uh, duh? He/She is a teenager.... Your point?
Maybe the guy should have thought to wear a condom. Hmmmm how the hell hard is that.
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Maybe he did?
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The woman doesn't force the man to do anything. He made his choice to accept fatherhood as a potential risk when he chose to have sex. Men already enjoy too much freedom when it comes to fatherhood. The woman gives birth, cares for and raises the child, while we, if we so choose, are legally obligated to provide financial support and nothing more. We do not have to change our lifestyle in the slightest so other than a financial concern, we are free.

To do as you suggest would remove any and all male obligation to participate in the raising of his offspring. We have far too many struggling, single mothers as it is without giving the deadbeats more of an excuse to walk away.
And the woman didn't choose the risks of motherhood when she choose to have sex with the man? Never has a double standard been more apparent.
Why does the man have to choose at the begining, is the woman somehow less responsable for the sex?
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What about the mans right to have a child. Check out this quote.

"A father's interest in having a child--perhaps his only child--may be unmatched by any other interest in his life. It is truly surprising that the state must assign a greater value to a mother's decision to cut off a potential human life by abortion than to a father's decision to let it mature into a live child." -William H. Rehnquist
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Because men biologically can't have their own child (in their bodies). Find a surrogate mother I suppose.
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Because men biologically can't have their own child (in their bodies). Find a surrogate mother I suppose.
But the baby came (in part) from the man's DNA. If it was just a part of the mothers body, we wouldn't need sex. Therefore, not only is it part of the womans body, but also the mans.
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It's inside and deriving resources from the woman and not the man. My point stands.
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It's inside and deriving resources from the woman and not the man. My point stands.
If a tape worm gets in your stomach it is inside you and deriving resources from you. Does that make it part of your body?
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No it doesn't. That's why I would have it removed. I know that the fetus is seperate from the woman if that's what you are getting at. In your scenario, you are advocating that the partner of the afflicted have a say in whether or not to keep the tapeworm in or remove it, like you know those women in africa.
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Earlier you cited this as justification for the womans choice.

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Because men biologically can't have their own child (in their bodies). Find a surrogate mother I suppose.
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It's inside and deriving resources from the woman and not the man. My point stands.
and here you just agreed with me that the fetus is not a part of the womans body.

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No it doesn't. That's why I would have it removed. I know that the fetus is seperate from the woman if that's what you are getting at. In your scenario, you are advocating that the partner of the afflicted have a say in whether or not to keep the tapeworm in or remove it, like you know those women in africa.
A tape worm does not have the potential to turn into a human, the fetus does.

That brings us back to the question. The baby is just as much the mans as it is the womans. Why should the state put more weight into the womans desire to end a potential life, then into the man's desire to see it grow into a life?
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