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Old 10-02-2006, 06:35 PM
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Default 9:11 please prove that terrorists were not sponsored by

you've already proven that Saddam bought uranium, ate live lobsters, molested little girls, that usama bombed twin towers, that bush is steadfast in his resolve, you proved that terrorists are muslims, that bush wants only to bring democracy and freedom,,, ok....

now, please prove to me that those who supported and sponsored terrorists such as those that attacked us on 9:11 were not the same people who profitt from wars and control our US politicians with their vast amount of wealth financing their campaigns

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now, please prove to me that those who supported and sponsored terrorists such as those that attacked us on 9:11 were not the same people who profitt from wars and control our US politicians with their vast amount of wealth financing their campaigns
Generally, the person who asserts a claim is the same person who must support it with real evidence. Anything less would be propaganda.
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No, see, do that and you take all the wind out of conspiracy theories. They posit a conspiracy, perhaps raise questions or point out inconsistencies, and then place the entire burden of proof on the debunkers -- quite often, as in this case, challenging them to prove a negative.
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No need for a conspiracy theory. The Reagan admin. allowed the CIA to support Bin Laden's rise to power in order to thwart the Soviets during their war with Afghanistan. The US set up camps in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia for Islamic Radicals. These camps allowed terrorists to flourish and internationalize.
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No need for a conspiracy theory. The Reagan admin. allowed the CIA to support Bin Laden's rise to power in order to thwart the Soviets during their war with Afghanistan. The US set up camps in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia for Islamic Radicals. These camps allowed terrorists to flourish and internationalize.
Agreed. We thought it was brilliant when they were shooting at Russians. We had no idea what kind of monster we had created.

Then the Russians left, we lost interest and just dropped the whole thing. And the monster felt betrayed, and needed another purpose. So the jihad widened.

But it's conspiracy to say we still control Al-Qaeda or that the U.S. government is behind the terror attacks.
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They posit a conspiracy, perhaps raise questions or point out inconsistencies, and then place the entire burden of proof on the debunkers -- quite often, as in this case, challenging them to prove a negative.
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Agreed. We thought it was brilliant when they were shooting at Russians. We had no idea what kind of monster we had created.
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May I point out that Al Queda doesn't actually exist....?
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No proof is needed here,just common sense!

What needs to be proven are these assinine scientific "theories"(bad word) on the "big bang" creation of the universe. OR:

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doesn't care for people that ask questions about conspiracy's and then don't show clear evidence they are right. So show me the clear connection between Hitler and the concentration camps.You have to dismiss all investigation from those with an agenda against Nazi's!!

Adolph knew a little bit about ducking under the covers,just like Clinton!!
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So show me the clear connection between Hitler and the concentration camps.
So to be clear: Your contention is that the camps did exist, the Holocaust did occur, but Hitler didn't know about them?

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That would seem to dismiss everyone who actually gathered firsthand evidence, being as they tended to be from the Allied side of the war. Maybe you could list the sort of sources I'm allowed to use.
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Raytri:

you complained that people with theories that have no clear cut evidence from sources without an agenda against the accused are bogus! You said this in attacking right wing sites who develop conspiracy theories against the Clintons.They must automatically be dismissed because they have an agenda.Well that also includes the case against Adolph Hitler, those with agendas must be discredited if your line of thinking is to hold up.

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They posit a conspiracy, perhaps raise questions or point out inconsistencies, and then place the entire burden of proof on the debunkers -- quite often, as in this case, challenging them to prove a negative.
I am asking you now,do you believe Hitler knew of the camps? If you do prove it without using any allied intelligence or evidence that was gathered by groups with axes to grind against the Nazi party.

Whether you try this or not the point is,that evidence comes from many sources in any case! From drunks,bums,murderers,drug traffickers,if you dismiss everyone who has an agenda then you would not get at the whole truth very often!

Your logic would have to let Hitler go free. The Allies accused Hitler of knowing about the concentration camp murders and in your theory he would have to prove his own innocence(or debunk their theories)

If you believe he knew,then prove it yourself using no evidence gathered by opponents of the Nazi party!

You made this high standard of proof for the people who believe the Vincent Foster murder/suicide was fishy.You hardly give them the right to question it!
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