All condemnations behind me, I believe this is the new war that has been waging on and off for more than two thousand years. It's less than two thousand if you want to go by the start when it was christian against Muslims. There is no doubt that the people of Asia Minor, are our oldest enemy and have been even before the birth of Christ and Muhammad.

The Western World has been fighting these people even before the Western World was without argument still undeveloped. Our opposition to their culture (and to past truths, empirialism) and influence go as far back to the Persian Greko War where the Greeks (who are the fathers of the origin of western Culture in many ways) resisted their hopeful conquest. We have been enemies ever since. Some people who are mostly swollen-headed fools contest that Muslims are not bad people and it is quite conveniently their governments that are against us. Yeah, sure. It's a lie for me to argue that Muslims don't persecute christians any chance they get on their soil and they didn't completely obliterate the Christian capital of the World in 1456. They also didn't spread their religion by the sword and and have made at least two major attempts to subjugate Europe. Oh, no. That never happened. Those are only lies the Jews made up, right? A horses ass they are and the reason why many of their governments are adamantly against us is because the very heart of the Islam Religion is extremism from it's very begining in Saudi Arabia. True, most people that are Islamic are not hate-filled and ambivalent. Of course not. Most people that have walked the earth have never fought a war either. These people are the pacifists that any country has but they are not the leaders and are always vulnerable to military recruitment. I think most Muslims are against the west but have no aspirations of war and conquest like average people don't from any country. Most people prefer to build things, raise families and not fight and/or die on some far away rock.

Anyhow, I find it unbelievable that people actually think this is a Government conspiracy to wage war against these people by fooling the public to support it using the Towers as their catalyst. Oh, really. I guess we can forget about the Muslims who tried to blow up the very same buildings in 1993. This was done by the same people with the same mind-set and the same agenda. The reason why the US (all too aware of these people and their intentions) didn't go to war then was because A. they were unsuccessful and B. Bill Clinton was a Coward who cared more about his haircut.

This war was inevitable. Knowing this, it is a war we cannot afford to lose and is not a stupid conflict where over 3,000 American boys have died for nothing. Anyone who says they've died for nothing are ignorant cowardly fools which only arrowse my anger. You've got to have some real nerve to say something as asinine as that. Why don't you tell his Battle buddies he died for nothing and this war is a lost cause. I Freaken dare you. You do that, and either you'll become a gimp or your face won't look right anymore.

Personally, I don't know if this big-picture strategy will work. I've got mixed feelings about the Neo-con agenda to establish by force a democratic region. I don't know if they are all model republics that it will really pacify the region as a threat to the west. I cannot conclude my opinion on that because it's such a complex debate that sometimes I'll feel one way and another time I'll feel another.

On another topic of the same conflict, I am also not totally sure if my countrymen have the stomach for another war. There are many reasons why I think this but I am a strong believer that this country has been internally weakened and has been moving in this direction for the past forty years.

When the Japanese attacked our navy at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, Recruiting offices were mobbed with people looking to get a crack at those god(*)(*)(*)(*)ed slopes and send them back to their little island where we will continually annihilate them until they beg for mercy. We did just that and the scars of this have never fully healed and the Japanese will never forget what happens when you try and pull a fast one on the home of the brave. This was one country you were not going to SCREW with.
9/11 was completely different because this was a civilian attack. Not only was it a civilian attack but it leveled a quarter of the most celebrated area of the most celebrated city in the united states, miserable sad deaths and all. It hit us right at our shore, right where the biggest battle in the Revolutionary war was commanded. A cornerstone part of the beginning of this country. It was a cowardice cataclysmic atrocity on an abominably baffling scale and is infamously known as the worst day in American History.
And yet, our armed services were still troubled with recruiting problems almost from the beginning. People rallied against the war like never before seen since Vietnam. True, the opposition started when the war effort entered a sour period but this illustrates to me that my countrymen have become mentally weak and frankly have forgotten about that day, when many people were doubtful of of the very future existance of this country and we were all gripped by fear and anger. I can only conclude this because this is not the first war we've been in when there were times of immense struggle and loss of life and yet the American people were behind it and we prevailed. But these wars did not have such an infamous beginning as this one which should have given us the strength and the mandate to crush our enemies like few times before and bring fear and awe on a new scale for our Country. It didn't and I fear if we are fooled to end The War on Terror, Historians in the future will write that this was the beginning of the end of the United States. This I fear and am pretty certain of. I don't think every day about 9/11 but I do think every day about my own wrestling with the truth and feeling of betrayal when I left the barracks for the last time because I snuck into the army, was mentally inelligible and knew it. But I never dared speak against the war effort or would not help my fellow privates any way I could. They were some of the best (*)(*)(*)(*) men I know and we need to win this war.

I dont support the connectiveness theory...

how the moon landing is connected to Hunter S thompson is connected to Jonestown, because the Pentagon needed a distraction...and on and on..

Treat each individual problem for what it is, corruption.

The argument gets too disjunct, and requires more and more "leaps of faith" in order for it to be beleive..

One thing at a time....thats what gets an audience.

You're right about that. An excellent book on the subject is "The Thousand Year War" by Richard Maybury:

http://www.chaostan.com/ericA.html

But the issue is really our intervention against them, not vice versa, although there have been attacks on both sides. But we could be at peace with the majority of Muslims if we would stay out of their territory and their business. A long list of American involvement in Muslim countries can be seen here:

http://www.chaostan.com/whydotheyhateus.html

Why do you think it's unbelievable considering that false flag terror attacks have happened in the past? Why do you consider it unbelievable when plans were drawn up by the U.S. government to kill innocent American citizens for the purpose of building support for a war with Cuba?

It was called Operation Northwoods and the evidence that it existed is irrefutable:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1

From the National Archives:

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430

"We could blow up a ship and blame Cuba." - quote from Northwoods

Having said that, do I think the government was directly behind the attack? No. However, I think it's highly likely the government knew we were going to get hit and sat back and let it happen. The way NORAD practically stood down speaks volumes to this. There are a lot of things that just don't add up. Yes, Bin Laden wanted to hit us, there's no doubt about that. But, still, a lot of things just don't add up. I think the government isn't coming clean with all it knows. And, again, it's only rational to question them since they did once plan terrorist attacks on American citizens.

Again, read that link above entitled "Why do they hate us?" The United States is not blameless in all of this. There is a reason we were attacked.

If we don't return to our roots and go back to the original intent of the Constitution, including the original foreign policy of non-interventionism, THAT will be the end of the United States. None of the Middle East nation states WANTS a war with us. Why? Because they know we have enough nuclear weapons to incinerate every square inch of their country(ies). Our weakness is our economy - high tax rates, worthless fiat currency backed by nothing, and massive government intervention including unfunded liabilities to a gigantic welfare state. We cannot afford to fund an unending guerilla war in multiple countries. Believe me, they know this, and they want to drag us along for as long as possible.

The way to win is to leave and declare neutrality and stay out of the region.

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"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Schopenhauer

The old blind Muslim that was arrested for the first Attack on the Trade Center in 1993 when he was being led off to jail stared into space with his dirty old blind eyes and said, "we will be back to finish the job" the Clinton Administration did NOTHING.

They returned on 9/11.

The Muslims have new friends now, they are,
Pelosi/Kennedy/Murtha/Reid/Kerry/Schumer/Obama and the other wretched Clinton.

God help America.

I read the article about operation northwoods, it seems it never happened, so how does this prove we were part of 9/11 or acted to help it along. Once again saying hey, they thought about it, does not mean it was ever going to happen, it was, i am sure a part of a bigger plan and this was but one minor piece that has now been used to show something that never was.

ROTFL. What a justification... Operation Northwoods was never carried out, but not because the people who planned it didn't want to carry it out or cared about innocent Americans dying for a deceptive purpose. And planning a murder is a crime. Got it? You need to stop defending those who plan to commit crimes.

The government also falsified rifle reports which led to the deaths of several innocent American soldiers:

http://www.politicalforum.com/viewto...=asc&&start=32


Again, ROTFL. Listen to yourself. You'll do anything to defend the government on this one. Bottom line - do you think that a good use of tax revenue is to have the government plan fake attacks against innocent American citizens?


Something that was PLANNED and would have been carried out if President Kennedy hadn't stopped it. This raises the question, what if there are some CIA black ops splinter groups out there that would plan this type of thing and disguise it and never ask for Presidential or Congressional approval? It's a possibility. Or what if Bush knew about it and decided not to stop it? They just changed the law to deny Freedom of Information Act Requests concerning military records - so how would you ever find out?????

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"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Schopenhauer

Here's another one for you savage republican, just to show you how the military and the government have nothing the best interests of people in mind - They're the most noble and selfless of souls, truly fighting to improve everyone's lives. Yeah, right...:

http://www.life.com/Life/essay/gulfwar/gulf01.html

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