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Old 03-31-2007, 09:19 AM
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Was Sandy Berger possibly under instruction from former President Bill Clinton to take and destroy certain HIGHLY CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS PERTAINING TO 9/11? BE SURE AND WATCH TONIGHT AT 9PM EST.

"Rep. Tom Davis, R-Va., is charging a cover-up by the Justice Department in connection with the 2003 theft and destruction of top secret documents by Clinton National Security Advisor Sandy Berger. Davis also told FOX News that he is not convinced that Berger was not acting under direction from the Clinton Administration.

"I'm not convinced that he was acting alone," Davis said. "They could have well said, ‘Sandy, do you remember that document way back — that I wrote to you ... We can't get this into the record. This is gonna make us look terrible.' "

Davis' comments came in a FOX News special, "Socks, Scissors, Paper: The Sandy Berger Caper," to be broadcast on FOX News Channel on Saturday, March 31 at 9 p.m. EDT. The program is hosted by David Asman.

Davis is not the only one close to the case who says Berger's crimes need further investigation.

"I'll spend the rest of my life going to bed at night wondering, ‘Did he take more.’ The American people should go to bed every night wondering if he took more. We'll never know; only Sandy Berger knows," Inspector General of the Archives Paul Brachfeld told Asman.

Brachfeld was the first man to investigate the crime. Like Davis, Brachfeld's main concern is that Berger may have withheld key information about Clinton Administration anti-terror strategy and efforts from the 9/11 Commission. Brachfeld has remained silent for more than two years. But in the program he courageously speaks out on television for the first time."

"In the special, Asman retraces the steps Berger took when he stashed some highly sensitive documents under a construction trailer on a busy Washington, D.C. street near the Archives.

In the program, Rep. Davis renews his calls for Berger to undergo a lie detector test. He also charges for the first time that there is reason to believe Berger did not act alone in the thefts. Davis says phone calls Berger methodically made during the review of the documents raise the specter that Berger was coordinating the theft with others.

Berger would be required to submit to a polygraph under the terms of his plea agreement. But when Davis pressed DOJ to administer the test, the department refused.

"They gave us the finger, basically," Davis told Asman."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,262687,00.html
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I prefer to watch responsible networks that I trust. Any network that carries Suan Vannity is at best suspect, at worst corupted.
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No comment on the subject matter, eh?

I don't blame you. There's not much one can say to defend it, is there??? And so.....attack the messenger.

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I enjoy the irony that if f100 had created a similar thread with the NY Times as his only source JP5 would have said the same thing that f100 did in this thread.

Even as it becomes more and more obvious what has been going on in the Bush White House, JP5 is grasping at straws and looking to the past to attack Clinton.

That said, I won't totally dismiss the Fox report out of hand. I don't have a TV here so I can't watch the program. JP, if you can get other sources for this I would consider them (and hopefully more than just an article with accusations). I just hope you understand that catching Berger, if he did something wrong, in no way vindicates this administration of its actions.
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I enjoy the irony that if f100 had created a similar thread with the NY Times as his only source JP5 would have said the same thing that f100 did in this thread.
Sorry you don't like Fox. But if Fox didn't carry this, you don't think anyone else would, do you? After all, if not for Fox, we would get NONE of the other side of things. It would be ALL one-sided as it used to be. Because CNN or MSNBC sure don't care what Berger stole and why.

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Even as it becomes more and more obvious what has been going on in the Bush White House, JP5 is grasping at straws and looking to the past to attack Clinton.

That said, I won't totally dismiss the Fox report out of hand. I don't have a TV here so I can't watch the program. JP, if you can get other sources for this I would consider them (and hopefully more than just an article with accusations). I just hope you understand that catching Berger, if he did something wrong, in no way vindicates this administration of its actions.
Has nothing to do with that. But don't forget......Sandy Berger ADMITTED he stole the documents and destroyed them. He had to because Archives employees saw him take them. His explanation didn't even pass the smell test. "Inadvertent".....yeah, right. "Sloppiness" said Clinton and his buddies....yeah, right. It's just that he was NOT made to tell us what they were and why he stole them. He was also curiously NOT made to take the polygraph that he agreed to take. This was a real crime; not a political firing of political appointees that was perfectly legal. Berger not only stole Highly Classified coded word documents....he asked for the copies on a couple of occassions.....as if he wanted to make sure he had all the evidence.

And yet....someone inside the Justice Department apparently protected Berger.
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No comment on the subject matter, eh?

I don't blame you. There's not much one can say to defend it, is there??? And so.....attack the messenger.
The so called "subject matter" is an old and tired 'subject' and I hardly think it does not really matter hense it hardly deserves comment !!
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I enjoy the irony that if f100 had created a similar thread with the NY Times as his only source JP5 would have said the same thing that f100 did in this thread.

Even as it becomes more and more obvious what has been going on in the Bush White House, JP5 is grasping at straws and looking to the past to attack Clinton.

That said, I won't totally dismiss the Fox report out of hand. I don't have a TV here so I can't watch the program. JP, if you can get other sources for this I would consider them (and hopefully more than just an article with accusations). I just hope you understand that catching Berger, if he did something wrong, in no way vindicates this administration of its actions.
Mr Roberts45b you hit the nail right on the head since Jp AND OTHER NEOCONS have in the past dismissed stories that come from the standard press eslecially if there is truth and that truth exposes Neocons.
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Proving once again......Democrats do NOT care that the National Security Advisor under the Clinton administration stole and destroyed Highly Classified documents.

I just watched it. It's truly amazing that this man got away with it. In part, because the National Archives employees did not follow their own procedures and were so in awe of the National Security Advisor that they could not believe what their own eyes were seeing. And then when they finally turned it over to the Head of Security at the National Archives----he told the Justice Dept and they said they'd handle it from then on. To his knowledge, they did nothing. He does know that they did NOT inform the 9/11 Commission before Sandy Berger testified before their panel....so they had no idea they had a top level administration official "under investigation" while they had him their to testify. Therefore, they were prevented from asking him questions.
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No comment on the subject matter, eh?

I don't blame you. There's not much one can say to defend it, is there??? And so.....attack the messenger.
The so called "subject matter" is an old and tired 'subject' and I hardly think it does not really matter hense it hardly deserves comment !!
Sorry f100, I disagree. Send Berger through the ringer, throw the book at him, get to the bottom of it. There is NO good reason for Berger to do what he did. It is an argument for accountability and transparency. It is worth it to knock people off their pedestals so that you always have the option for the future.
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No comment on the subject matter, eh?

I don't blame you. There's not much one can say to defend it, is there??? And so.....attack the messenger.
The so called "subject matter" is an old and tired 'subject' and I hardly think it does not really matter hense it hardly deserves comment !!
Sorry f100, I disagree. Send Berger through the ringer, throw the book at him, get to the bottom of it. There is NO good reason for Berger to do what he did. It is an argument for accountability and transparency. It is worth it to knock people off their pedestals so that you always have the option for the future.
I do dismiss or down play what the Berger did. What I will not believe if it comes from Faux Newz is that what Berger did had something to do with covering up 9-11. Hang him for breaking the law but don't try to shift the blame for 9-11 back on Monica;s Boyfriend becasue that is lame.
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