Thread: Plane or No Plane?

Originally Posted by Hannibal

Ok, I watched the whole thing. (Did you, Jango?)
Chock full of speculations.
Now, could you post your evidence, please?

Is this the same Pilots for Truth website run by Robert Balsamo? He shouldn't be making conspiracy movies...he should be seeing a shrink:

Rob Balsamo comes to JREF!!

Rob Balsamo - Founder of Pilots For 9/11 Truth - Verified Current Pilot

Topic started on 25-8-2010 @ 10:31 PM by TiffanyInLA
OK folks, lets have all your rumors, insinuations, and facts of why you think Rob Balsamo is a nut job, along with the numerous aviation professionals he has attracted to place their names, in just 4 short years.

His group's theories can't be great if he had to resort to virtual drag to promote them.

I'll take Hannibal's word and pass on the video, thx.

You're a free man, do as you please. Noted though.

Hannibal,

Can you refute the point of the movie where it showed the four planes' radar blips intersecting each other?

Originally Posted by Jango

Hannibal,

Can you refute the point of the movie where it showed the four planes' radar blips intersecting each other?

Can I ask you an honest question, Jango? How many times do these sources have to be proven to be lying to you before you stop believing them?

This one is easy to refute.


This is the flight path for Flight 11. Notice it never goes south of NYC or much further west.


Here is the flight path fro Flight 77. Notice it barely goes north of Dulles (Washington).

Now, considering NYC is about 200 miles north east of Washington DC, how can the radar tracks possibly intersect?

How about showing me radar screen footage like they did, not something anyone could draw. Bring your A game if you expect to convince anyone of anything.

I'm still waiting Hannibal...

Originally Posted by Jango

How about showing me radar screen footage like they did, not something anyone could draw. Bring your A game if you expect to convince anyone of anything.

Those drawings are from the NTSB and are available directly from the NTSB site. They are not something "anyone could draw". The jokers over at Pilots for 9/11 aren't using radar screen footage either. The actual radar traces have not been released.

So again I ask you a very straight forward question. How many times does a site have to outright lie to you before you admit that the site is not credible? Do you have anything that can actually refute the flight paths from the NTSB?

You had someone refute their claim in a very concrete way. You poo pooed it based on nothing more than you didn't like how the pictures were drawn. Hannibal is going to show you the same information. Flight 77 went due West, turned around and went due East. It didn't fly over two hundred miles out of the way to intersect the other planes. Hell, all one has to do is look at the timeline of when the planes took off to see Pilots for 9/11 is lying. But some people can't be shown the truth no matter how hard you try. They are blinded by their hate and their zeal to blame everything on their sworn enemies no matter how retarded it makes them look.

Originally Posted by Patriot911

The jokers over at Pilots for 9/11 aren't using radar screen footage either. The actual radar traces have not been released.

But Pilots for 9/11 Truth are telling him what he wants to hear. There for it MUST be more credible.

Originally Posted by DDave

But Pilots for 9/11 Truth are telling him what he wants to hear. There for it MUST be more credible.

That is up to him. However, when one uses discredited sources they can't defend and tries to pretend they are credible, they only hurt their own credibility. Then again, all he has to do is look at the whole video. They show the track the planes took. The flight path for AA 11 and AA 77 in the video are exactly as shown in the illustrations done by the NTSB. So how can those flight paths intersect?

Hey Jango. Here's more evidence. Flight 77 took off from Dulles at 8:20 am. It was hijacked sometime shortly after 8:50. Flight 11 crashed at 8:46 am. In other words, Flight 11 crashed before Flight 77 was even hijacked. This is easily verifiable evidence and doesn't involve your judgement on the professionalism of the pictures. So how do you explain that? Why would Flight 77 go the wrong direction to intercept Flight 11 while still under the pilot's control and enroute to the West coast?