Thread: overwhelming proof of Israli involement in 9/11 and the media coverup.

Originally Posted by Scott

Post #1 of this thread provides a very good explanation for the light poles and I agree with it.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i...showtopic=9632

You're acting as if this weren't an answer to you question is pretty pathetic.

You won't analyze this video because it has you cornered.
9/11 Incontrovertible Proof the Government is Lying - YouTube

An objective truth-seeker wouldn't insist that the info be spoon-fed to him. This is just your way of avoiding the issue.

The evidence that 9/11 was an inside job is so clear that the only thing you pro-official version people can do is try to keep people from seeing it by filling up theads with your BS. If it's on the first page, you can't bury it so here's a link to some of it.
http://able2know.org/topic/177268-1#post-4782975

You're a slick smooth-talking sophist but the proof is simply too clear to obfuscate.

Someone proud of their answer would be happy to give it, not be dancing as much as you are.

For the record, the link to your answer is a message board with at least four pages on it. Is it really such a weak answer that you can't cut and paste it?

Go figure?

For the record, the link to your answer is a message board with at least four pages on it. Is it really such a weak answer that you can't cut and paste it?

Look closely. I said the evidence was in post #1 of the thread.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i...showtopic=9632

Just click on the link and read post #1.

Originally Posted by Scott

Look closely. I said the evidence was in post #1 of the thread.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i...showtopic=9632

Just click on the link and read post #1.

Nah, feel free to cut and paste it here so I know precisely what the explanation is.

Now get to it and stop wasting my time.

Nah, feel free to cut and paste it here so I know precisely what the explanation is.

Now get to it and stop wasting my time.

You seem to be totally detatched from the fact that the viewers are watching your lame behavior.

Here's the link with the info about the light poles.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i...showtopic=9632

It's post #1. Just click on it and read it.

Originally Posted by Scott

You seem to be totally detatched from the fact that the viewers are watching your lame behavior.

Here's the link with the info about the light poles.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i...showtopic=9632

It's post #1. Just click on it and read it.

Simply pointing out I'll comment on what you say, not on what you link to. Tell us what knocked down the poles and stop beating around the bush. Is it that hard for you to write down your thoughts?

You're beginning to define the very word "lame" ma'am.

Simply pointing out I'll comment on what you say, not on what you link to. Tell us what knocked down the poles and stop beating around the bush. Is it that hard for you to write down your thoughts?

You'd get laughed out of the debating hall for tap dancing around the evidence I post instead of addressing it.

This evidence shows that a 757 didn't hit the Pentagon.
Disinformation and shills

You say the light poles trump that. My rebuttal tio that is the info in post #1 of this link.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i...showtopic=9632

Whether I copy and paste post #1, or you click on it and read it, it's the same info. I gave my rebuttal to you're assertion that the light poles trumped the evidence I posted that a 757 didn't hit the Pentagon. I await your counter-rebuttal.

Originally Posted by Scott

You'd get laughed out of the debating hall for tap dancing around the evidence I post instead of addressing it.

This evidence shows that a 757 didn't hit the Pentagon.
Disinformation and shills

You say the light poles trump that. My rebuttal tio that is the info in post #1 of this link.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i...showtopic=9632

Whether I copy and paste post #1, or you click on it and read it, it's the same info. I gave my rebuttal to you're assertion that the light poles trumped the evidence I posted that a 757 didn't hit the Pentagon. I await your counter-rebuttal.

So in this fanciful debate you claim we're having; your saying a website over and over is your idea of effectiveness? *giggle*

Either you will or you won't post what your explanation. If you are so timid as to not wish to post it, I can't help you.

Have a nice day.

Ok. I'll copy and paste post #1.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i...showtopic=9632
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The downed light poles at the Pentagon are arguably the most convincing evidence that a 757 caused the physical damage that day.

But now that we know the plane was on the north side of the CITGO station it is clear that they got there somehow else.

This is compounded by the fact that it is physically impossible for Lloyd England's story to be true.

This may seem like a complex task but it would actually be quite simple for the suspect in question to accomplish.

First realize that the area is the literal backyard of the suspect and one of the most highly secured areas in the nation.

It's right by the heliport where the President travels from quite often and in fact he had left from there the day before and was scheduled to return there that afternoon!


Heliport firefighter Allan Wallace:
QUOTE
Our first helicopter flight was around 10AM. But we were expecting President George W. Bush to land in Marine One around 12 Noon, returning from Jacksonville, Florida. (He had actually left from the Pentagon the day before.) Needless to say, neither flight arrived at the Pentagon that day because of the terrorist attacks.
source

This means that they had all the excuse they needed to "secure" the area in preparation for his arrival and this would even be quite routine and expected for the people in the area since the President travels from there regularly.


The poles could have been removed in the middle of the night on any night prior to the event in what could have been made to look like regular late night road work.

Then the pre-fabricated damaged poles could be put in place perhaps at 4:00am on 9/11 or even later in the day while they were "securing" the area for the President's scheduled arrival.

4 of the 5 poles were hidden off to the side on the grass.
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...etrip/187b.jpg)

I'll address pole 1 in a bit.

There isn't a reason that any of them would cause a reason for alarm or notice by any of the morning rush hour traffic even if they could be seen.

Pole 2 was completely hidden and poles 4 and 5 were down on slopes.

They were all on Pentagon property/jurisdiction/control which could have been on serious lock down due to the President's scheduled arrival.

(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...tpolesfell.jpg)

But the bottom line is that EVEN IF someone did happen to see a pole on the ground and remember and EVEN IF they put 2 and 2 together after the fact and called the FBI obviously nothing would have happened.

But they most likely would NOT put 2 and 2 together because the light poles were an insignificant tiny blip on the most historically tragic day in U.S. history.

The average public has absolutely no clue about the light poles at all and even many in the movement aren't aware of them.

The poles have not been covered in a single official report either.

This seemingly impossible scenario to stage would have been child's play to do in their own backyard for the same perpetrators who pulled off a covert triple controlled demolition in downtown Manhattan.

Light pole one was likely staged after the fact and a detailed photographic look into this scene is available here.


But as a summary the possibly pre-damaged cab could have been towed or driven to it's spot where they partially blocked traffic and placed it. Minutes later feds rolled up and surrounded the area and completely blocked traffic.

These images show you how much control they had of the scene after blocking traffic and surrounding the area as well as how the cars on the other side of the highway going northbound wouldn't see anything because of the HOV lane that was already closed and had two sets of guardrails:
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...yd/hovlane.jpg)
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ficblocked.jpg)
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...surrounded.jpg)
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...oydandfeds.jpg)

These images were all taken within 17 minutes maximum after the event. Traffic was already completely blocked and the entire scene was controlled.

They could have done anything they wanted and it wouldn't matter because the Pentagon was burning and nobody would care or notice the feds and the cab and the pole even if they could see them. But they can't.

Pole 1 could have been pulled from the shoulder, maybe from behind the bush, over the guardrail from the other side, or even unloaded from a truck all in about 30 seconds.

We do know it was moved before all these images were taken due to the scratch on the road:
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ntagonoyx8.jpg)

This plain clothed federal agent with the red tie who was likely driving the white Saturn was a central figure in this scene:
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...edtiedude2.jpg)


The notion that the poles were blown with explosives or knocked down by the vortex of a second plane or a missile is simply not possible primarily due to the physical damage of the poles revealing that they were somehow pinched at the top:
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...lepinched4.jpg)
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...epinched22.jpg)
---------------------------------------------------

Do you see it now?

I found this so it's not my work. I just agree with it. Tell us what you think of it.

Originally Posted by Scott

Ok. I'll copy and paste post #1.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i...showtopic=9632
--------------------------------------------------------------
The downed light poles at the Pentagon are arguably the most convincing evidence that a 757 caused the physical damage that day.

But now that we know the plane was on the north side of the CITGO station it is clear that they got there somehow else.

This is compounded by the fact that it is physically impossible for Lloyd England's story to be true.

This may seem like a complex task but it would actually be quite simple for the suspect in question to accomplish.

First realize that the area is the literal backyard of the suspect and one of the most highly secured areas in the nation.

It's right by the heliport where the President travels from quite often and in fact he had left from there the day before and was scheduled to return there that afternoon!


Heliport firefighter Allan Wallace:
QUOTE
Our first helicopter flight was around 10AM. But we were expecting President George W. Bush to land in Marine One around 12 Noon, returning from Jacksonville, Florida. (He had actually left from the Pentagon the day before.) Needless to say, neither flight arrived at the Pentagon that day because of the terrorist attacks.
source

This means that they had all the excuse they needed to "secure" the area in preparation for his arrival and this would even be quite routine and expected for the people in the area since the President travels from there regularly.


The poles could have been removed in the middle of the night on any night prior to the event in what could have been made to look like regular late night road work.

Then the pre-fabricated damaged poles could be put in place perhaps at 4:00am on 9/11 or even later in the day while they were "securing" the area for the President's scheduled arrival.

4 of the 5 poles were hidden off to the side on the grass.
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...etrip/187b.jpg)

I'll address pole 1 in a bit.

There isn't a reason that any of them would cause a reason for alarm or notice by any of the morning rush hour traffic even if they could be seen.

Pole 2 was completely hidden and poles 4 and 5 were down on slopes.

They were all on Pentagon property/jurisdiction/control which could have been on serious lock down due to the President's scheduled arrival.

(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...tpolesfell.jpg)

But the bottom line is that EVEN IF someone did happen to see a pole on the ground and remember and EVEN IF they put 2 and 2 together after the fact and called the FBI obviously nothing would have happened.

But they most likely would NOT put 2 and 2 together because the light poles were an insignificant tiny blip on the most historically tragic day in U.S. history.

The average public has absolutely no clue about the light poles at all and even many in the movement aren't aware of them.

The poles have not been covered in a single official report either.

This seemingly impossible scenario to stage would have been child's play to do in their own backyard for the same perpetrators who pulled off a covert triple controlled demolition in downtown Manhattan.

Light pole one was likely staged after the fact and a detailed photographic look into this scene is available here.


But as a summary the possibly pre-damaged cab could have been towed or driven to it's spot where they partially blocked traffic and placed it. Minutes later feds rolled up and surrounded the area and completely blocked traffic.

These images show you how much control they had of the scene after blocking traffic and surrounding the area as well as how the cars on the other side of the highway going northbound wouldn't see anything because of the HOV lane that was already closed and had two sets of guardrails:
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...yd/hovlane.jpg)
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ficblocked.jpg)
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...surrounded.jpg)
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...oydandfeds.jpg)

These images were all taken within 17 minutes maximum after the event. Traffic was already completely blocked and the entire scene was controlled.

They could have done anything they wanted and it wouldn't matter because the Pentagon was burning and nobody would care or notice the feds and the cab and the pole even if they could see them. But they can't.

Pole 1 could have been pulled from the shoulder, maybe from behind the bush, over the guardrail from the other side, or even unloaded from a truck all in about 30 seconds.

We do know it was moved before all these images were taken due to the scratch on the road:
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ntagonoyx8.jpg)

This plain clothed federal agent with the red tie who was likely driving the white Saturn was a central figure in this scene:
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...edtiedude2.jpg)


The notion that the poles were blown with explosives or knocked down by the vortex of a second plane or a missile is simply not possible primarily due to the physical damage of the poles revealing that they were somehow pinched at the top:
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...lepinched4.jpg)
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...epinched22.jpg)
---------------------------------------------------

Do you see it now?

I found this so it's not my work. I just agree with it. Tell us what you think of it.

I think it is a total garbage fest.

First question.

So your angle is that they hijacked AA77 for no reason at all?

Originally Posted by Scott

Ok. I'll copy and paste post #1.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i...showtopic=9632
--------------------------------------------------------------
The downed light poles at the Pentagon are arguably the most convincing evidence that a 757 caused the physical damage that day.

But now that we know the plane was on the north side of the CITGO station it is clear that they got there somehow else.

This is compounded by the fact that it is physically impossible for Lloyd England's story to be true.

This may seem like a complex task but it would actually be quite simple for the suspect in question to accomplish.

First realize that the area is the literal backyard of the suspect and one of the most highly secured areas in the nation.

It's right by the heliport where the President travels from quite often and in fact he had left from there the day before and was scheduled to return there that afternoon!


Heliport firefighter Allan Wallace:
QUOTE
Our first helicopter flight was around 10AM. But we were expecting President George W. Bush to land in Marine One around 12 Noon, returning from Jacksonville, Florida. (He had actually left from the Pentagon the day before.) Needless to say, neither flight arrived at the Pentagon that day because of the terrorist attacks.
source

This means that they had all the excuse they needed to "secure" the area in preparation for his arrival and this would even be quite routine and expected for the people in the area since the President travels from there regularly.


The poles could have been removed in the middle of the night on any night prior to the event in what could have been made to look like regular late night road work.

Then the pre-fabricated damaged poles could be put in place perhaps at 4:00am on 9/11 or even later in the day while they were "securing" the area for the President's scheduled arrival.

4 of the 5 poles were hidden off to the side on the grass.
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...etrip/187b.jpg)

I'll address pole 1 in a bit.

There isn't a reason that any of them would cause a reason for alarm or notice by any of the morning rush hour traffic even if they could be seen.

Pole 2 was completely hidden and poles 4 and 5 were down on slopes.

They were all on Pentagon property/jurisdiction/control which could have been on serious lock down due to the President's scheduled arrival.

(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...tpolesfell.jpg)

But the bottom line is that EVEN IF someone did happen to see a pole on the ground and remember and EVEN IF they put 2 and 2 together after the fact and called the FBI obviously nothing would have happened.

But they most likely would NOT put 2 and 2 together because the light poles were an insignificant tiny blip on the most historically tragic day in U.S. history.

The average public has absolutely no clue about the light poles at all and even many in the movement aren't aware of them.

The poles have not been covered in a single official report either.

This seemingly impossible scenario to stage would have been child's play to do in their own backyard for the same perpetrators who pulled off a covert triple controlled demolition in downtown Manhattan.

Light pole one was likely staged after the fact and a detailed photographic look into this scene is available here.


But as a summary the possibly pre-damaged cab could have been towed or driven to it's spot where they partially blocked traffic and placed it. Minutes later feds rolled up and surrounded the area and completely blocked traffic.

These images show you how much control they had of the scene after blocking traffic and surrounding the area as well as how the cars on the other side of the highway going northbound wouldn't see anything because of the HOV lane that was already closed and had two sets of guardrails:
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...yd/hovlane.jpg)
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ficblocked.jpg)
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...surrounded.jpg)
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...oydandfeds.jpg)

These images were all taken within 17 minutes maximum after the event. Traffic was already completely blocked and the entire scene was controlled.

They could have done anything they wanted and it wouldn't matter because the Pentagon was burning and nobody would care or notice the feds and the cab and the pole even if they could see them. But they can't.

Pole 1 could have been pulled from the shoulder, maybe from behind the bush, over the guardrail from the other side, or even unloaded from a truck all in about 30 seconds.

We do know it was moved before all these images were taken due to the scratch on the road:
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ntagonoyx8.jpg)

This plain clothed federal agent with the red tie who was likely driving the white Saturn was a central figure in this scene:
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...edtiedude2.jpg)


The notion that the poles were blown with explosives or knocked down by the vortex of a second plane or a missile is simply not possible primarily due to the physical damage of the poles revealing that they were somehow pinched at the top:
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...lepinched4.jpg)
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...epinched22.jpg)
---------------------------------------------------

Do you see it now?

I found this so it's not my work. I just agree with it. Tell us what you think of it.

Another discrepancy:

But as a summary the possibly pre-damaged cab could have been towed or driven to it's spot where they partially blocked traffic and placed it. Minutes later feds rolled up and surrounded the area and completely blocked traffic.

These images were all taken within 17 minutes maximum after the event. Traffic was already completely blocked and the entire scene was controlled.

Explain how it was "towed or driven" when traffic was completely blocked?

You're stating that somehow the wrecker driver after the plane hit, stopped the wrecker in the middle of the street, unloaded a damaged cab, sped away and nobody saw this?

Meanwhile, another team brought just one of the poles--not any other ones--to the middle of the street to stage them.

Is that your stance?