Thread: A standard of evidense

Originally Posted by Hannibal

Funny - you seem to be the only one who 'can't get through'. There were multiple people and agencies listed. Whom did you attempt to contact? Funny how you can't seem to answer that.

Did you ever contact Jim Fetzer?

I would but I'm still trying to find that buried plane in Shanksville that had it's engine bounce over some trees several football fields away. (that was really a kick azz engine huh?).

Originally Posted by RtWngaFraud

It's been presented over and over. Saying it hasn't been doesn't make it so. Proof of 93 being buried, for example...it you had it...you'd present it. Instead, you dodge, bob and weave.

Heck. I have discredited this myself. You (and others) claim that an aircraft does not just "vanish".

I bring up the ValuJet Flight 592 crash of 1996. You may not remember it, but I remember it well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eylDlokUpuw

Notice this scene. And tell me, how much is visible? And do not give me crap about it being covered by the swamp, most of this is covered by a mere inches of water. A DC-9 crashed here, and almost nothing is visible. And we have shown you many similar crash sceens. You ignore and blow off every single one.

This is why I laugh at and blow off almost every conspiracy theorist. I find they are all 98% full of coprolite.

Originally Posted by Mushroom

Heck. I have discredited this myself. You (and others) claim that an aircraft does not just "vanish".

I bring up the ValuJet Flight 592 crash of 1996. You may not remember it, but I remember it well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eylDlokUpuw

Notice this scene. And tell me, how much is visible? And do not give me crap about it being covered by the swamp, most of this is covered by a mere inches of water. A DC-9 crashed here, and almost nothing is visible. And we have shown you many similar crash sceens. You ignore and blow off every single one.

This is why I laugh at and blow off almost every conspiracy theorist. I find they are all 98% full of coprolite.

I saw the nose of the plane sticking out of the swamp (from very far away as well). It didn't vanish. Seems a plane DID actually crash there because I can see the evidence of it. This is counter to 9/11 where in Washington and in Pennsylvania they seem to have disappeared, buried underground, or (more likely) blew up all over the sky. Can't find that plane. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they salvage that plane and reassemble it to some degree?? That creates PROOF, you see, and that is the kind of PROOF that kills speculation of wild, magical stories of bouncing engines and phantom flights hitting just above grass top level and disappearing. Your point was...what?

Originally Posted by RtWngaFraud

I would but I'm still trying to find that buried plane in Shanksville that had it's engine bounce over some trees several football fields away. (that was really a kick azz engine huh?).

Why is it so hard for you to grasp that a four ton engineoff of a plane that hit the ground at full speed would bounce and roll a goodly distance from the crash?

Originally Posted by RtWngaFraud

I saw the nose of the plane sticking out of the swamp (from very far away as well). It didn't vanish. Seems a plane DID actually crash there because I can see the evidence of it. This is counter to 9/11 where in Washington and in Pennsylvania they seem to have disappeared, buried underground, or (more likely) blew up all over the sky. Can't find that plane. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they salvage that plane and reassemble it to some degree?? That creates PROOF, you see, and that is the kind of PROOF that kills speculation of wild, magical stories of bouncing engines and phantom flights hitting just above grass top level and disappearing. Your point was...what?

considering it went nose down in the swamp, maybe you could provide pictures of the 'nose sticking out of the swamp'?

Originally Posted by RtWngaFraud

I saw the nose of the plane sticking out of the swamp (from very far away as well). It didn't vanish. Seems a plane DID actually crash there because I can see the evidence of it. This is counter to 9/11 where in Washington and in Pennsylvania they seem to have disappeared, buried underground, or (more likely) blew up all over the sky. Can't find that plane. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they salvage that plane and reassemble it to some degree?? That creates PROOF, you see, and that is the kind of PROOF that kills speculation of wild, magical stories of bouncing engines and phantom flights hitting just above grass top level and disappearing. Your point was...what?

Originally Posted by LoneStrSt8

considering it went nose down in the swamp, maybe you could provide pictures of the 'nose sticking out of the swamp'?

Funny, because I am looking at this again, and see no such thing. I just watched this video 3 times, and saw no such thing. So please, let us know where on the film you are seeing this phantom nose.

In fact, from everything I both remember about this crash and what I have seen most recently, there was very little recovered. In fact, most times after such a crash they take the recovered parts then reconstruct the aircraft in a hanger to try and figure out what happened.



This never happened with Valujet 592. The debris was simply to badly destroyed to even attempt to reconstruct it.



This aircraft was never reassembled. There was simply nothing left to reassemble. The thing hit nose down, and it essentially disintregrated. The largest pieces recovered were pretty much the tires and engines.

So please, tell us where to find that nose sticking out of the swamp. Because I have looked through a lot of footage and photos of that disaster in the last hour, and found absolutely nothing like it.

See, this is what keeps people like myself and Lone wondering what planet you come from. You see phantoms, and go screaming that something that is not there is really there. Where is this nose? Or is it all another conspiracy? It was there the first time you saw the clip, and dissapeared. And you just throw in "they reconstructed it", without even bothering to see if they actually did. This is why I largely consider you to be a fraud. You make silly claims, without doing any real research. Then when others do research, you blast away at it with more unsubstantiated theories and nonsense.

And this is not the first, or third, or even fifth time I have thrown ValueJet 592 at you. I routinely bring up this example because so much of it is like the crash in Pennsylvania. High rate of speed, almost nose down, no large crater, very little debris recoverable.

Or was this part of the plot, an attempt by {insert government agency here} back in 1996 to find a way to cover up a future plane crash?

Originally Posted by LoneStrSt8

considering it went nose down in the swamp, maybe you could provide pictures of the 'nose sticking out of the swamp'?

I saw it in your link Sir..

Originally Posted by RtWngaFraud

I saw it in your link Sir..

No,you did not

Originally Posted by DDave

For instance, a certain member claims that the official record claims an incorrect path for the plane that hit the Pentagon because 13 people say so.

Yet they dismiss the 100+ witnesses whose testimony supports the official record.

Explanation -- they may have been plants.

Try this just for fun. Ask them why the 13 dissenting witnesses are not truther plants?

Originally Posted by Object227

Try this just for fun. Ask them why the 13 dissenting witnesses are not truther plants?

Disinformation plants??? Interesting angle. You know, I think we should just have a real investigation into all this controversial stuff and settle it once and for all, then move on. One day of honest live TV Congressional questions and answers, with all the key players on both sides ought to suffice. It could even be over by lunch, considering the truther's case is so thin and all. Maybe even an hour?