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Old 07-05-2008, 08:08 AM
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As for proving it false, how about you proving it is correct?
It is correct. The facts and evidence presented are all accurate. If you claim they're not, again, PROVE IT.

If you refuse to watch it, then you have no right to comment on it.
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Old 07-05-2008, 10:35 AM
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It is correct. The facts and evidence presented are all accurate. If you claim they're not, again, PROVE IT.

If you refuse to watch it, then you have no right to comment on it.
So now you're going around telling people what rights they do and do not have? Wow. When did you become a site moderator?

As for the facts, lets see just how "factual" your movie is.

First three minutes are nothing but introduction.

Then we have all kinds of introductions. OK, so far no lies.

At 6 minutes we get the first lie. The video asks why the military failed to stop the planes as though that question has never been answered. This isn't an unanswered question. It has been gone over in great detail and even the attempts at covering up mistakes were uncovered. The fact that people like you refuse to look at evidence if it goes against your personal agenda doesn't change the facts; it just makes you look bad.

There. I'm vindicated. The movie is just another piece of crap video that asks the same questions over and over while spouting the same lies. First proven lie? 6:25. The movie claims there was no military response, yet the military did respond. This isn't in question, yet the blatant lie is laid out there for honest people to see.

You've failed repeatedly to come forward with any proof, and just whining that nobody will watch your video just doesn't cut it. Neither you nor the video is worth an hour and a half of my time, especially after your claim that the movie is accurate has now been proven to be a lie in and of itself.

So once again I offer you the opportunity to come forward with what you consider the movie's best argument. Something tells me you haven't even spent the time to watch the movie since you can't even defend it or discuss it.
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So now you're going around telling people what rights they do and do not have? Wow. When did you become a site moderator?

As for the facts, lets see just how "factual" your movie is.

First three minutes are nothing but introduction.

Then we have all kinds of introductions. OK, so far no lies.

At 6 minutes we get the first lie. The video asks why the military failed to stop the planes as though that question has never been answered. This isn't an unanswered question. It has been gone over in great detail and even the attempts at covering up mistakes were uncovered. The fact that people like you refuse to look at evidence if it goes against your personal agenda doesn't change the facts; it just makes you look bad.

There. I'm vindicated. The movie is just another piece of crap video that asks the same questions over and over while spouting the same lies. First proven lie? 6:25. The movie claims there was no military response, yet the military did respond. This isn't in question, yet the blatant lie is laid out there for honest people to see.

You've failed repeatedly to come forward with any proof, and just whining that nobody will watch your video just doesn't cut it. Neither you nor the video is worth an hour and a half of my time, especially after your claim that the movie is accurate has now been proven to be a lie in and of itself.

So once again I offer you the opportunity to come forward with what you consider the movie's best argument. Something tells me you haven't even spent the time to watch the movie since you can't even defend it or discuss it.
Seeing a pattern Patriot? All of these movies take about 5minutes to debunk and then you come to the realization that they're made by delirious punks who try to make "documentaries uncovering the truth about 9/11" from trash. It's not possible. These "9/11 truthers" are simply trying to find a way to blame the government for what happened. And obviously, as we can see from your debunking, it isn't working

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At 6 minutes we get the first lie. The video asks why the military failed to stop the planes as though that question has never been answered.
That is false. You can't be honest, can you?
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It's a possibility. The Pentagon airplane crash is the most elusive. Also, why did some of the WTC buildings, like building number 7 collapse even though they weren't directly hit? Collateral damage wouldn't take a building down - something fishy here.
Why wouldnt it?

Do you have something to compare it to?
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That is false. You can't be honest, can you?
Typical "truther" BS. Make a claim and then fail miserably at backing it up. You can't even claim to have failed miserably. You have to make SOME kind of effort, but you couldn't even do that. Pitiful.

Care to explain how it is false? We have the complete timeline of the military response to what was going on, including every mistake made. There is no question mistakes were made; everything from human error to flaws in our plan for protecting ourselves.

So.... it would appear that I am not the one with the credibility or honesty issues. You should work on that.
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It's a possibility. The Pentagon airplane crash is the most elusive. Also, why did some of the WTC buildings, like building number 7 collapse even though they weren't directly hit? Collateral damage wouldn't take a building down - something fishy here.
Wasn't directly hit?!? Hmmm.... that would be wrong. It was hit by debris from at least one and maybe both 110 story towers. Debris big enough to cause a hole about a third of the way across the building, about a third of the way into the building and 10-15 stories tall. Debris big enough to cause a three story bulge in one corner. Debris big enough to demolish the other surrounding buildings to the point there was no way to recover them. I would call that hit.

And then, of course, you have the raging fires that were going on inside the building for hours that were at least partially fueled by 40,000 gallons of diesel fuel stored in the building.

It all adds up to a collapse; one the FDNY knew hours beforehand would happen and took measures to insure everyone's safety.
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Distortion-Bringer, you need to remember that when it came to military action, we weren't expecting hijackers to crash planes into buildings. Every previous hijacking incident involved hijackers taking a plane, landing it far far away, and then using the on-board hostages to make demands. So the military wasn't thinking "Scramble the jets, and head to the twin towers, those rascaly terrorists are at it again!"
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Typical "truther" BS.
Typical "believe everything the government tells us" BS.

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Make a claim and then fail miserably at backing it up. You can't even claim to have failed miserably. You have to make SOME kind of effort, but you couldn't even do that. Pitiful.
What's pitiful are your lies and mischaracterizations.

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Care to explain how it is false?
It's a total mischaracterization by you.

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We have the complete timeline of the military response to what was going on,
Right, and that timeline is used in the second half of the documentary. The man who created it is interviewed. He started the timeline because the government's story wasn't adding up.

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So.... it would appear that I am not the one with the credibility or honesty issues.
LOL. You are precisely the one with credibility and honesty issues.
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Distortion-Bringer, you need to remember that when it came to military action, we weren't expecting hijackers to crash planes into buildings. Every previous hijacking incident involved hijackers taking a plane, landing it far far away, and then using the on-board hostages to make demands. So the military wasn't thinking "Scramble the jets, and head to the twin towers, those rascaly terrorists are at it again!"
You really need to stop attempting to deceive people:

"We bring to the attention of our readers this carefully researched analysis.

"Given the warnings of incipient terrorist attacks that had been repeatedly received by the Administration and the FBI, why would anyone coordinate two major annual air training exercises at this time, and divert key resources to the North Pole on an outdated mission? Who was in a position to do this?"

The 911 Commission carefully overlooked these considerations. "It ignored the issue of the drills and continuously pointed to FAA incompetence. Thus the the mock live hijackings which were apparently in progress on the morning of September 11th should be investigated as a plausible explanation for why the national defense was such an abysmal failure."

1. Was it a Surprise that Hijacked Planes Were Used as Weapons on 9/11?

The element of surprise has been widely given (and quoted) as the reason why the 9/11 attacks were so successful against the world’s greatest military power.

Before proceeding to the statements on both sides of the issue, the context for these attacks should be understood in light of three defense procedures which were unusually and significantly changed in the months preceding 9/11:

1. A May 8th 2001 Statement by the President gave responsibility for coordinating, training and planning all national defense programs related to weapons of mass destruction to Vice President Cheney, whose office was not part of the National Command Authority. Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta testified before the 9/11 Commission that he was present and observed Dick Cheney in the Presidential Emergency Operating Center tracking the position of Flight 77 for many miles as it approached the Pentagon.1 “Based on Norm Minetta's testimony and other information, it appears that the military have regarded Cheney as a ‘Deputy Commander-in-Chief’. They also understand that he is the real power behind the throne...It appears that Vice President Dick Cheney was in charge of all the many air defense exercises that took place on the morning of September 11, 2001."2

2. The 1997 hijacking scramble protocol CJCSI 3610, which distinguished emergent situations (requiring immediate action between the FAA and the military) from non-emergent situations (requiring decision input from the highest levels of the DoD) was rewritten June 1, 2001, as ordered by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.3 As a result, the number of fighter-interceptor scrambles fell from the usual average of 7-8 per month before the rewrite, to zero during the 3.3 months before September 11th, and to zero on September 11th itself.4

3. Changes in the dates of annual and semi-annual military air defense exercises resulted in an unprecedented concentration of air drills on September 11th, and included hijackings and drills in which planes hit buildings. These will be explored later.

The transfer of two line defense roles to senior members of the Bush-Cheney Administration, paired with the concentration of air drills on the day itself, raise serious questions regarding the success of the attacks.

Early expressions of surprise over the attacks: In response to the seemingly inexplicable success of the 9/11 attacks, a chorus of astonishment issued from the White House, the military, and the FBI. Tim Ruppert asked Donald Rumsfeld on September 30, 2001 whether he had ever imagined that the Pentagon would be attacked by a terrorist using an American commercial airline. “Oh goodness no! “Never would have crossed anyone’s mind.”5 His Commander-in-Chief had earlier said that “al Qaeda “struck in a way that was unimaginable.”6

General Richard Myer, acting air defense commander, told the military press in late October: “You hate to admit it, but we hadn’t thought about this.”7 FBI Director Robert Mueller declared a week after the attacks, “There were no warning signs that I’m aware of that would indicate this type of operation in the country.”8

White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer fell into step. "Until the attack took place, I think it is fair to say that no one envisioned that as a possibility.”9

However, on May 17, 2002, CBC News revealed that a 1999 report, "Sociology and Psychology of Terrorism: Who Becomes a Terrorist and Why?" “...warned the executive branch that bin Laden's terrorists might hijack an airliner and dive bomb it into the Pentagon or other government building.”10

On May 19th, the London Observer quoted a New York newspaper report that “angry citizens are asking why they have suddenly learned what George W. Bush knew all along: that weeks before the event, the CIA had warned the President and other top officials of an active plot to seize civilian aircraft.”11

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