UA Flight 93 was not shot down

**Hannibal** · Apr 28 2012, 02:06 AM

'Truthers' have tried to twist the evidence in order to show that UA93 was shot down, even though this is in direct opposition to their own 'stand down' theory.

This page takes those theories and examines them using cited evidence:
http://unitedflight93.com/

So, having read the sourced page, does anyone have any rebuttal? In addition, does anyone have any evidence to offer regarding the stand down/ shoot down contradiction of the 'truther' camp?

**RtWngaFraud** · Apr 29 2012, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by Hannibal

'Truthers' have tried to twist the evidence in order to show that UA93 was shot down, even though this is in direct opposition to their own 'stand down' theory.

This page takes those theories and examines them using cited evidence:
http://unitedflight93.com/

So, having read the sourced page, does anyone have any rebuttal? In addition, does anyone have any evidence to offer regarding the stand down/ shoot down contradiction of the 'truther' camp?

Michael D Fortner's 99 cent e-book doesn't get very good reviews on Amazon (aside from the one obvious disinformation obligatory "review"). Seems folks think he's....well...I'll let the intelligent reader see for themselves.

http://www.amazon.com/Truth-About-Un...DateDescending

**Patriot911** · Apr 29 2012, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by RtWngaFraud

Michael D Fortner's 99 cent e-book doesn't get very good reviews on Amazon (aside from the one obvious disinformation obligatory "review"). Seems folks think he's....well...I'll let the intelligent reader see for themselves.

http://www.amazon.com/Truth-About-Un...DateDescending

Seems an honest poster would go after what is contained IN the book, not in the reviews.

**RtWngaFraud** · Apr 29 2012, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Patriot911

Seems an honest poster would go after what is contained IN the book, not in the reviews.

Aww man...that's not right. I'm just following the example you guys set. Ignore the issues and attack the messenger. That not what goes on here?

Seriously though.....Was his book 'peer reviewed'? Does his opinion agree with the accepted narrative? Etc,etc,etc.

99 cents is a pretty steep price to pay for.....something.

**Hannibal** · Apr 29 2012, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by RtWngaFraud

Michael D Fortner's 99 cent e-book doesn't get very good reviews on Amazon (aside from the one obvious disinformation obligatory "review"). Seems folks think he's....well...I'll let the intelligent reader see for themselves.

http://www.amazon.com/Truth-About-Un...DateDescending

If you don't care for him, then why did you link to his site in the first place?

I would remind the intelligent reader that the thread refers to the link in question, and not the e-book. Let's try to stay on topic.

**Jango** · Apr 29 2012, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Hannibal

'Truthers' have tried to twist the evidence in order to show that UA93 was shot down, even though this is in direct opposition to their own 'stand down' theory.

This page takes those theories and examines them using cited evidence:
http://unitedflight93.com/

So, having read the sourced page, does anyone have any rebuttal? In addition, does anyone have any evidence to offer regarding the stand down/ shoot down contradiction of the 'truther' camp?

I don't consider a bunch of hearsay evidence. Everyone has a story.

Did the FBI or anyone else run tests on the debris? You know, to check.

What was the scatter pattern like?

**Patriot911** · Apr 29 2012, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by RtWngaFraud

Aww man...that's not right. I'm just following the example you guys set. Ignore the issues and attack the messenger. That not what goes on here?

From the truther side, most assuridly. Truthers LOVE to attack the messenger because the truth rips their pathetic theories to shreds. Why attack the messenger when the truth is so much easier?

Originally Posted by RtWngaFraud

Seriously though.....Was his book 'peer reviewed'? Does his opinion agree with the accepted narrative? Etc,etc,etc.

99 cents is a pretty steep price to pay for.....something.

Yes, we realize truthers are on very tight budgets after giving all their money to Gage, Wood, Jones, Jones and Griffen.

And Lord only knows truthers don't think the truth is worth a buck. Why else would they trash it so?

**Patriot911** · Apr 29 2012, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Jango

I don't consider a bunch of hearsay evidence. Everyone has a story.

Did the FBI or anyone else run tests on the debris? You know, to check.

What was the scatter pattern like?

Of course they did. They also turned over the FDR and CVR over to the NTSB for analysis. Both were linked to Flight 93 and both showed exactly what the rest of the evidence like radar logs, eyewitnesses, and the called loved ones claim.

Do you have any real evidence Flight 93 was not as it should be? So far all I've seen is opinions from people who "think" flight 93 doesn't look like it should even when there are documented cases of other flight crashes with many similarities including the scatter pattern and debris being found eight miles away. What would convince you?

**Jango** · Apr 29 2012, 02:53 PM

What would convince you?

The crashing of United 93 is a paradox to me. I'm still reading the commission report, but I've gotten past the crashes. So I can gather some thoughts about what I think. To me, it seems odd that the hijackers prematurely decided to take the plane down. I realize that they realized that they were about to be breached, or that's what we've been told, but that is nevertheless odd. The hijackers were determined and steely. Failure was not an option. However, it is possible. The thing to think about, is probability. Would they abandon their mission at the first sign of trouble? Or would they see it through until the very end? I would have to imagine, with the size and scope of the mission itself, that they would see it through until the 'very' end. But that's just me.

But it largely does not matter. I don't care one way or another if the plane was shot down or not. I did not see the plane crash. I have never seen video of the plane crashing either. All I have to go on is what people have said, and what the government said, and speculated as to what happened. Likewise, I never saw it get blown out of the sky either. I just have a hard time believing that the hijackers voluntarily took the plane down themselves, all things considered.

**Patriot911** · Apr 29 2012, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Jango

The crashing of United 93 is a paradox to me. I'm still reading the commission report, but I've gotten past the crashes. So I can gather some thoughts about what I think. To me, it seems odd that the hijackers prematurely decided to take the plane down. I realize that they realized that they were about to be breached, or that's what we've been told, but that is nevertheless odd. The hijackers were determined and steely. Failure was not an option. However, it is possible. The thing to think about, is probability. Would they abandon their mission at the first sign of trouble? Or would they see it through until the very end? I would have to imagine, with the size and scope of the mission itself, that they would see it through until the 'very' end. But that's just me.

But it largely does not matter. I don't care one way or another if the plane was shot down or not. I did not see the plane crash. I have never seen video of the plane crashing either. All I have to go on is what people have said, and what the government said, and speculated as to what happened. Likewise, I never saw it get blown out of the sky either. I just have a hard time believing that the hijackers voluntarily took the plane down themselves, all things considered.

Out of curiosity, have you read the transcripts from the CVR?