Guru
The archived chat is worth reading over the past few days.
"Yes Phil, anything you say, Phil. Please don't ban me Phil. I'll tell you any personal info you want, Phil!" ~ some sap named Tom.
http://letsrollforums.com/mgc_cb_evo...imit=2&page=12
It's a cult.
"Keep on rockin' in the free world" ~ Neil Young
It should be noted, as well, that when the plane hit the North Tower it wasn't assumed to be a terrorist attack either. They were under the impression at first that the airplane crash was an accident. They didn't realize it was an actual terrorist attack until the second tower was hit at 9:03. With the Pentagon being hit at 9:37 it doesn't leave much time to track down an airplane that isn't relaying information. On that same page, airplanes aren't like cars. They aren't all on the same level.
With something like this never having happened before there really wasn't a go-to plan. The individuals involved were confused from all angles. The dispatchers, radio control, etc.
Analyst
You need to define more specifically who 'they' is.
Analyst
Right, because the use of "they" (in the context people who didn't realize a terrorist attack was underway) is totally ambiguous. He could be talking about the West Avon widowed women's sewing circle, the united federation of one legged circus clowns, or even the citizen's bureau of amateur seashell collectors.Originally Posted by Jango
He should really clarify so that we can hold those rather well dressed but clueless widows accountable if need be.
A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep
Analyst
Well yes, because the media was completely unaware of how much, again? So naturally they wouldn't assume the very worst at first. But why would "they" as in =ing the government (CIA, FBI, NSA, etc) not automatically assume the worst given *all* of the intelligence they had. It would be worthwhile to know their first reactions, thoughts, etc. Paperwork too, 'cause I think they knew they just got hit.
8:46 to 9:03 is a span of time of thinking for government workers who had been privy to the intelligence.
Guru
Maybe during that 20 minutes they were discussing the "is this real world or exercise" smokescreen. We'd need Mr. Cheney for help with this but he's not talking (especially under oath).
Allow me to restate the "official" position. We were just so confused, and so incompetent, and so bad at everything, we couldn't find a plane anywhere to defend Washington, because...DUH...we just didn't know anything about anything. We didn't send a plane anywhere because Mr. Cheney told us to stand down, plus...we were so confused and incompetent we couldn't have done much anyway. I think it was his fault...no..no..it was her fault...er...no...it was their fault. Oh...forget it...let's just not blame anybody and promote the whole lot of them. Shhhhh!
EVERYBODY call in sick tomorrow, then watch real change begin. Hit the corporate fat cats directly in the pocketbook.
Banned
Your bull(*)(*)(*)(*) lies just keep getting funnier and funnier! I wonder when you are going to start charging admission for your little fantasy land. Will it have Dick Cheney as Mr. Rourke with a little Bush Tattoo pointing at the plane?
Guru
Misrepresenting the facts is all your post does.
Where did you get your two hour claim? Made it up? Did Phil whisper it in your ear?
"Keep on rockin' in the free world" ~ Neil Young
What you seem to not be understanding is it didn't GET to the government level right away. The moment the plane shut off it's transponder there wasn't someone on the phone with the President explaining the situation. It's a common truther theory that whenever something bad happens the government has instant avenues for resolution.
I'd prefer it if you didn't, but since you're going too...
Uhm, I think I might have missed the part where a plane hit in Washington. I know 2 hit in NYC and 1 in Arlington County, VA, then one crashed in PA. Did Washington suffer some damage on 9/11?
I thought I saw you arguing in a different thread about how flight 93 was shot down. So what is it? It can't be both because that doesn't make sense. Either there was no stand down order and flight 93 crashed, or as you suggested flight 93 was shot down. Meaning there was no stand down order.
You know, I am actually slightly inclined to agree with you on this one. I think there was a lot of finger pointing, and trying to weezle out of blame. I don't see that as a conspiracy, just a lot of ass covering.
Analyst
I will only address the bottom portion of your post for now. I will come back for the others later.
It sickens me as an American citizen, as a man, to know that you know that government officials did a lousy job, and you care none the least that they did a better job to protect their job after the worst day in American History then they did to actually do their jobs on the days leading up to and on 9/11. WHY ARE YOU NOT DEMANDING THE INVESTIGATION TO BE RE-DONE? WTF? Have you lost your morality? Have you all lost your morality? Where is your patriotism? Why are you allowing them to get away with it? WHY? And I'm the one one being demonized as Anti-American. The (*)(*)(*)(*) ever.
Last edited by Jango; Jul 24 2012 at 11:22 PM.
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