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Old 07-16-2008, 04:47 AM
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I'm not sure you read my post right. I'm not saying how it sould look, and it looked diffrent to imply there waere explosives.
If you are talking about the core, the core did fall outside the building perimeter. If you are indeed talking about the foundation, the foundation was pretty much intact at the base. So much so that there were 14 survivors in the North tower who survived in a stairwell in the foundation between floors 1 and 6. Fortunately by the time the collapse was over, the 6th floor was almost at "ground level" from all the debris.

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I'm not saying force them to do any of that, I'm saying don't let them charge us 20x what the labour cost.
But why? If the market will support it, why not? People obviously want those products at are willing to pay at that price level. If they didn't, nobody would buy the shoes and Nike would have to either close their doors or lower their prices.

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I'm not just saying price fixing, I'm saying they could have stopped these busnisses, from buying up all the rest.
They haven't bought up the rest. Numerous brands of shoes are available for much more reasonable prices. There are already laws on the books that prevent companies from becoming monopolies or price fixing which is something you can only do with control of the market.

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I'm not actually talking about setting the markets with maximum prices, I'm saying they could force the companies to lower their prices buy a percentage, if they're charging a ridiculous amount.
SDY's point is that if the prices are too high, people won't buy them and the prices will drop on their own. This is the law of supply and demand.

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If I stole gum out of the shop, I would get a warning from the shop/police, while some companies, steal billions of dollars directly from the people.
How did they steal the money? People willingly paid for the shoes and paid the price the shoe companies set. There are choices you can make. You can pay for the "prestige" of wearing the latest greatest styles from Nike or you can wear a no-name brand that doesn't carry the prestige.

I don't own any name brand shoes like Nike or Rebok or any of those, so I don't pay those ridiculous prices. I haven't paid more than $20 for a pair of shoes in many many years. Why? I don't need anyone admiring my shoes or thinking I'm a goof for spending 100+ for shoes just because of a label.

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Also, why am I quoted as Makede? o_o
hehehehe I've quoted someone as someone else throughout an entire response before. Embarassin!!!
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But why? If the market will support it, why not? People obviously want those products at are willing to pay at that price level. If they didn't, nobody would buy the shoes and Nike would have to either close their doors or lower their prices.
Because all other shoes basicly cost that much, when they shouldn't.

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They haven't bought up the rest. Numerous brands of shoes are available for much more reasonable prices.
I was just in a sports store, I saw about 5 diffrent brands of shoes, all costing the same amount, except for the decorative Nike/adies.

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SDY's point is that if the prices are too high, people won't buy them and the prices will drop on their own. This is the law of supply and demand.
Too high compared to what? The prices of every product, from basicly the only brand you can find, are too high.

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How did they steal the money? People willingly paid for the shoes and paid the price the shoe companies set.
Because they can't get it anywhere else.

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There are choices you can make. You can pay for the "prestige" of wearing the latest greatest styles from Nike or you can wear a no-name brand that doesn't carry the prestige.
The other brands either basicly cost the same, or the material sucks. I've bought shoes from no name brands, and have had them turn to crap after only a few months.

(word to the wise for everyone reading this, never buy Nike Tnz. They cost more than any other nike shoe, but turn to crap like no name brand shoes)
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Because all other shoes basically cost that much, when they shouldn't.
That is your opinion and I respect that, but that opinion is a dangerous one. It means you would be willing to give up a free market to control the costs of everything regardless of what goes into the making of the product. This kind of control just flat out doesn't work.

What drives innovation and quality? Profit. The good ol' dollar. Take that away and tell everyone this is how much you can sell your goods for, and what happens? Everyone makes the same crappy shoe as everyone else which will also be the cheapest piece of crap they can get away with making and still call it a shoe.

So what have you accomplished by setting prices? Well, you've increased government bureaucracy, and we BOTH know how bad that is. You've taken away any incentive to either design a better shoe or build a high quality shoe. In fact, you would do more to create a monopoly, the very thing you hate, than anything else would. If your product is the same price as everyone else's and there's no money in it, why compete? Go find a niche where you can make some money. Pretty soon you have the ACME shoe company producing all the shoes because there is no reason to compete because there is no profit to be made.

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I was just in a sports store, I saw about 5 different brands of shoes, all costing the same amount, except for the decorative Nike/adies.
Sports stores, especially the nice ones, are only going to show you the high end stuff... you know.... the "GOOD" stuff. They don't want to have no-name brands there that are much cheaper. Why? See above. Profit. Mass retailers such as Target and Walmart are more than happy to give you the shoes from less well known manufacturers at a fraction of the cost.

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Too high compared to what? The prices of every product, from basically the only brand you can find, are too high.
Too high compared to everyone else. I was just at Walmart for lunch today. I could have picked up a pair of generic running shoes for $10. In fact, I didn't see a single Reebok, NB or Nike shoe there. So people have a choice. If they want the image of the name brand product and are willing to pay that amount, they will pay it. If not, they will go to Walmart and buy something similar for a lot less without the fancy logos or air pumps or springs or lights.

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Because they can't get it anywhere else.
Define "it". If you mean Nikes, you're right. Nike sets the price for Nikes and if you don't like the price, tough noogies. If you mean shoes, well, then you're mistaken. If I don't want to pay $150 for a pair of Nikes, I can pay $50 for a pair of Reebok's. If I don't want to pay $50, I can go pay $10 at Walmart for some generic white shoes.

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The other brands either basically cost the same, or the material sucks. I've bought shoes from no name brands, and have had them turn to crap after only a few months.
Well, in many cases (not all!!) you get what you pay for. I've had friends tell me their high end shoes fell apart after a short while as well, but you're right. In general the more expensive shoes are made better. But this is true with just about everything.

If you buy a low end Hyundai, you shouldn't expect the same kind of build quality, materials and engineering that you would find in a Porsche. Likewise if you buy a Porsche, you are going to spend many times what the Hyundai costs, but you end up with something that is better than a Hyundai. Is it 8 times better? No. But then again, the price is set at what people are willing to pay. Some people are willing to pay the price of a Porsche to have something that is better and more prestigious than the average car.

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(word to the wise for everyone reading this, never buy Nike Tnz. They cost more than any other nike shoe, but turn to crap like no name brand shoes)
Thanks for the heads up! I tend to go for the middle of the road shoes myself. Better than Walmart, but WAY cheaper than the Nikes.

Been a pleasure discussing this with you.
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I actually agree with you because i have researched this matter and INFORMED MYSELF unlike many stupid americans.
no wonder all the other countries hate us.
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I actually agree with you because i have researched this matter and INFORMED MYSELF unlike many stupid americans.
no wonder all the other countries hate us.
Would you care to clarify who you agree with and what you have discovered through your own research?
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Anyone with a basic concept of physics understands what happened.
Its not really that complicated of a concept. The plane crash separated the top from the rest of the building, the top collapsed onto the rest of the building bringing it down and giving it the appearance of demolition.
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