Toinen Suomalainen? Täällä! Ei voi olla totta!
Now, Finnishness aside.
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We haven't had any major religous conflict or terrorist strike. We don't seem to have any radical religous groups. The muslim minorities seems to be doing rather well, and the second generation seems to be integrated rather well in here. Of cource I'm not an expert on these issues. This is what I have understood from the news and the articles what I have read.
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True, but I wouldn't call all of our Somalis quite integrated either. Overall, you must remember that Finland is an astoundingly homogenic nation, and largely Lutheran also. Something which doesn't make Finland the perfect country to use as an example of muslim extremism.
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What kind of problems the other European countries are facing? Do you have any better views for these issues? And what kind of solutions there could be? Especially the opinions from the european muslims would valuable.
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I still maintain that the whole 'Muslims are overtaking Europe' argument is completely blown out of proportion by the right wing press that one has to step back and take a seperate look. Muslims constitute clear minorities in all EU-15 countries, even in all EU-25 countries. It was/is foolish to expect them to integrate by themselves, and that has been proven. Tightened policing and intelligence monitoring is enough to prevent muslim extremists. France has in this regard taken a very tough stance.
As for solutions, strengthen the integration of
foreign culture muslims. I'm quite sure (though I have no figures) that these extremists are largely immigrants and not locally born/educated muslims.
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Is there some kind of fundamental problems between the islamic and the european cultures? At least the radical islamistic beliefs have fundamental contradiction with the modern secular democracies. They kind of demand islamic teocratic state.
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Islam and Europe have coexisted in the past, and they do by and large coexist. The age of the Crusades has ended. Besides, we in the west have our own Anarchists and Christian fundamentalists.
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Anyway, there has been one muslims minority in Finland for a century called Tatars. Their religion has been seen as the finnish version of Islam. For me it seems, that they have had no major problems in integrating into the finnish culture. In practice they are finnish with a different religion and perhaps - with a somewhat different culture.
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The Tatars are a pathetically small (with no offense) minority that they do not even deserve that status. Approximately 800, ahem...
(They constitute 0.01% of the Finnish population)
I think we have more non-Tatar muslims than Tatars.
Why we enacted Swedish as a national language is probably one of the only more incomprehensible things done by this government for minorities.
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One question is that if they have intergrated, why cannot the others? And if there is no any fundamental problem, that what is left are the practical problems, which with time and patience might verý well be solvable.
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A large failure in government policies. People do not integrate themselves, the integration must to some degree be forced. I personally am a strong advocate for language requirements and Singapore-like wealth requirements, and also oppose the acceptance of large amounts of refegees.