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Toinen Suomalainen? Täällä! Ei voi olla totta!
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Moi, vaan.
Vähän sellainen riitaisa luonne, että politiikkaa piti tulla haastamaan. Noita vääriä mielipiteitä kun ei löydy kotomaasta tarpeeksi
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I still maintain that the whole 'Muslims are overtaking Europe' argument is completely blown out of proportion by the right wing press that one has to step back and take a seperate look. Muslims constitute clear minorities in all EU-15 countries, even in all EU-25 countries.
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This is certainly true, but I would see the problem still serious. The madrid terrorist strike was rather alarming. It happened once. It could happen again. These strikes made by radical muslims are anyway quite new phenomenon in Europe, and the phenomenon itself might still be growing. Can we yet predict the magnitude of the true problem?
Of course the europeans are now more aware of the problem and the threads, and the law-enforcement can more effectivily fight against them. Plus now, in large parts of europe it is quite hard to find any political reasons, why these radical groups would commit terrorist strikes, at least now, when the Italy and England are the last ones in Iraq. This, in case rationality is something, which can be expected from these groups... which might not be the case.
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It was/is foolish to expect them to integrate by themselves, and that has been proven. Tightened policing and intelligence monitoring is enough to prevent muslim extremists. France has in this regard taken a very tough stance.
As for solutions, strengthen the integration of foreign culture muslims. I'm quite sure (though I have no figures) that these extremists are largely immigrants and not locally born/educated muslims.
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This would suggest, that the problem would solve itself by simply waiting, that the second generation will get comfortable in their new homeland... It is not an impossible thought for well-being has its own calming effect.
It will take time though.
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The Tatars are a pathetically small (with no offense) minority that they do not even deserve that status. Approximately 800, ahem...  (They constitute 0.01% of the Finnish population)
I think we have more non-Tatar muslims than Tatars.
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The tatars have been able to maintain their own language (to some extend) and their own culture. At least the state has accepted the tatars as a minority for these singular reasons. And with no doubt, they are muslims and also well integrated in the finnish culture. They have their own mosque and an active religous group.
Well. I have to admid, that it requires a bigger mass to be able to maintain any radical cultural differences and cultural intolerance, which I think, was the original problem.
With an ethnic population less than 1000, the integrations starts to resemble an assimilation in many ways. The ethnic minority loses slowly its members and distinctive characteristics before it disappears. Plus the small minorities has no real options besides the integration.
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A large failure in government policies. People do not integrate themselves, the integration must to some degree be forced. I personally am a strong advocate for language requirements and Singapore-like wealth requirements, and also oppose the acceptance of large amounts of refegees.
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This makes sence. It is quite vain to welcome huge masses of ethnicities, if it means accumulating social problems.
-BtD