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Moi, vaan.
Vähän sellainen riitaisa luonne, että politiikkaa piti tulla haastamaan. Noita vääriä mielipiteitä kun ei löydy kotomaasta tarpeeksi  |
Ymmärrän hyvinkin, tämä on ihan hyvä foorumi sitä varten. Ja myös pääsee ärsyttämään jenkkejä.
Mistäs päin Suomea ollaan?
Hesasta täällä.
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I still maintain that the whole 'Muslims are overtaking Europe' argument is completely blown out of proportion by the right wing press that one has to step back and take a seperate look. Muslims constitute clear minorities in all EU-15 countries, even in all EU-25 countries.
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This is certainly true, but I would see the problem still serious. The madrid terrorist strike was rather alarming. It happened once. It could happen again. These strikes made by radical muslims are anyway quite new phenomenon in Europe, and the phenomenon itself might still be growing. Can we yet predict the magnitude of the true problem? |
I used to have a great link to the Eurostat site which gave recent immigration figures in the EU, but they changed the url.
Anyway, the figures indicated that most of immigration in Europe is intermigration between member states, only a minority of it is from other non-EU countries.
Madrid was alarming, but it shows that we should not be lax. The threat applies to us too even if we don't act as aggressively as the US. Spanish police did catch the entire cell which commited the crime within a few days, so I'm more inclined to think that Madrid was more of the exception that the rule.
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Of course the europeans are now more aware of the problem and the threads, and the law-enforcement can more effectivily fight against them. Plus now, in large parts of europe it is quite hard to find any political reasons, why these radical groups would commit terrorist strikes, at least now, when the Italy and England are the last ones in Iraq. This, in case rationality is something, which can be expected from these groups... which might not be the case.
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Hopefully, but you never know. I think it would be wise to stay on guard nonetheless.
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This would suggest, that the problem would solve itself by simply waiting, that the second generation will get comfortable in their new homeland... It is not an impossible thought for well-being has its own calming effect.
It will take time though.
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I think time will solve this issue, once the US backs down. (Something which they have to do, the strain on the economy and the impossibility of the fight will eventually force the US to change policy)
We should just sit and wait, of course. The government should try and integrate them further and supress
any sign of terrorism with draconian measures.
Countries have integrated large waves of migrants in the past, I don't really see what is so fundamentally different about this wave.
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The tatars have been able to maintain their own language (to some extend) and their own culture. At least the state has accepted the tatars as a minority for these singular reasons. And with no doubt, they are muslims and also well integrated in the finnish culture. They have their own mosque and an active religous group.
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I know, but I am guessing they get somesort of tax exemptions and other benefits for being a minority. But yep, they are a part of Finnish culture, albeit a very tiny one.
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Well. I have to admid, that it requires a bigger mass to be able to maintain any radical cultural differences and cultural intolerance, which I think, was the original problem.
With an ethnic population less than 1000, the integrations starts to resemble an assimilation in many ways. The ethnic minority loses slowly its members and distinctive characteristics before it disappears. Plus the small minorities has no real options besides the integration.
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Yep, there is a term for it. (Can't remember it however)
There's a theory which states that there has to be over a million of one culture to keep it 'alive' and existing. Once the numbers start dropping below that, with cultural intermarriage, and youths losing interest, the culture starts to weaken,making it prone to extinction.