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was your question to me - try to follow ... .
THEN I RESPONDED WITH ...
I am part of what made me ... (so on and so forth)

...and for the part you do not understand by your response ...

IF Liberals want to kill off the LIBERAL OFF SPRING - tax me to pay for it ...

That is fine with me!

Conservatives do NOT want to kill their babies!

It is JUST the left leaner's ...

So - go ahead a reduce the liberal spawn

Perhaps we need to REWARD the Liberals for the SELECTIVE Liberal GENEOCIDE!
Sorry, but I just have no idea what the above means.

Once again, when you have something of relevance to the topic at hand to impart, and expect to be able to do so in a manner which other people might understand, please do so.
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Sorry, but I just have no idea what the above means.

Once again, when you have something of relevance to the topic at hand to impart, and expect to be able to do so in a manner which other people might understand, please do so.
playing dumb?

okay .... sure ....
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playing dumb?

okay .... sure ....
I wish I was.

Seriously, I have no idea what you were saying previously. Could you try and explain it as if you were explaining it to an Alien? Please?
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I wish I was.

Seriously, I have no idea what you were saying previously. Could you try and explain it as if you were explaining it to an Alien? Please?

okay ... (since DANISH is part of your name - I can presume you are there)
I know places like Sweden and Holland are real different from us!

mainly the liberal left (and a lot of Democrats) are pro abortion

the right called "Conservatives (and most Republicans) are anti Abortion

IF the Liberal lefts kill their own offspring fetus

then the conservative right will not have to go through all this with the next generation of liberals.

Perhaps we need to let them kill their own!

Look at the ironic slant here ...

the American CONSERVATIVE is trying to save the life of the Liberals off spring

.... and the LIBERALS are fighting the Conservatives to let them (the Libs) kill their own babies
.... because they do NOT have the fortitude to use a few of contraceptives to protect themselves!
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okay ... (since DANISH is part of your name - I can presume you are there)
I know places like Sweden and Holland are real different from us!

mainly the liberal left (and a lot of Democrats) are pro abortion

the right called "Conservatives (and most Republicans) are anti Abortion

IF the Liberal lefts kill their own offspring fetus

then the conservative right will not have to go through all this with the next generation of liberals.

Perhaps we need to let them kill their own!

Look at the ironic slant here ...

the American CONSERVATIVE is trying to save the life of the Liberals off spring

.... and the LIBERALS are fighting the Conservatives to let them (the Libs) kill their own babies
.... because they do NOT have the fortitude to use a few of contraceptives to protect themselves!
Yes, I understand that bit. It is a sort of joke, right?

I just don't understand how this joke is relevant to the topic at hand. Is there some deeper meaning I haven't understood?
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Yes, I understand that bit. It is a sort of joke, right?

I just don't understand how this joke is relevant to the topic at hand. Is there some deeper meaning I haven't understood?
sure - to a small degree it was off tilt humor

intended to wake up another way of seeing what is being said and done ...

IS IT A JOKE (really?):
  • left wants to kill their offspring?
  • the right is trying to prevent it?
  • the END RESULT is that the Conservatives have more liberals to fight against abortion by helping them live!

Sorry - being a (more or less) Conservative - it REALLY isn't funny to me!

It is disturbing .... what happens if we say screw it - they are JUST Liberals killing themselves off!
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sure - to a small degree it was off tilt humor

intended to wake up another way of seeing what is being said and done ...

IS IT A JOKE (really?):
  • left wants to kill their offspring?
  • the right is trying to prevent it?
  • the END RESULT is that the Conservatives have more liberals to fight against abortion by helping them live!

Sorry - being a (more or less) Conservative - it REALLY isn't funny to me!

It is disturbing .... what happens if we say screw it - they are JUST Liberals killing themselves off!
Yes, and so what?

Why not let people live or die as they themselves choose?
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Yes, and so what?

Why not let people live or die as they themselves choose?
if life is so nonchalant and trivial to me - it wouldn't be a problem ...

... but having my family is an irreplaceable treasure to me and I see that every life has it's own significance and virtue which actually make contributions in the world

... but these are the SAME ones who insist dogs and cats get fixed because there are so many animal shelters that kill dogs and cats ...

They aren't worth of the same values as they insist an Animal should be?

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if life is so nonchalant and trivial to me - it wouldn't be a problem ...

... but having my family is an irreplaceable treasure to me and I see that every life has it's own significance and virtue which actually make contributions in the world
I agree that every human being has its own significance.
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... but these are the SAME ones who insist dogs and cats get fixed because there are so many animal shelters that kill dogs and cats ...

They aren't worth of the same values as they insist an Animal should be?
Sorry, you lost me here. Are you asking whether I think your family members are as worthy as your pets? If so, yes I think so.
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What did woman do before Roe V. Wade? What did Roe V. Wade Bring to the table?
Roe vs Wade gave women the right to choose, it also protected them from causing harm or even death to themselves, in their desperation to end their pregnancies.

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Contrary to popular opinion, if Roe v. Wade were over turned today, woman would not be dieing in the streets and back alleys. This is a complete myth and scare tactic used to rile people up. Abortion didn't bring anything new to the table, they only offered the murder of children as a form of birth control.
See Here

That is just one of many sites easily accessable. We have evidence that women have died from such 'back alley' abortions, or at the very least, seriously injured themselves. This cannot be denied.
What Roe V Wade did was prevent this from happening, as it gave women the right, and access to a safe, and legal abortion.


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Before Roe v Wade, doctors would fight for both the lives of the mother and the baby. Abortion never saved one single life!
Before Roe V Wade, however, there must have been instances when the fetus could not be saved, and the womans life would have been deemed more 'important' if you will, leading to an abortion, in order to save the life, or preserve the health, of the mother.

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The first deals with prior medical problems of the mother, such as cancer or heart disorders or other conditions that could be worsened by carrying the child. Doctors, afraid of a lawsuit, often pressure women into having an abortion. Yet, we all know stories about mothers who trusted God enough to carry the child and were blessed with a healthy baby.
Doctors do not yet know everything. They can tell you that you have a healthy baby, yet your child could be born with severe defects, likewise, a doctor could tell you that your child has severe defects, and the child is born, and is deemed perfectly healthy.
Medical science has progressed so far, but we still have a long way to go.
I guess you have to decide whether the risk is great enough for you to continue with a pregnancy.
It would, I imagine, be a very hard decision to decide whether to abort, or continue a pregnancy if you were told that your unborn child was ill, or was suffering from a fetal disfigurement, for example?
You could continue with the pregnancy, despite what you may have been told, and you may well be blessed with a healthy baby - but before the child is born, before you actually see that child - how can you be sure? Can you really trust someone that much to ensure the survival of your unborn child?
For some, that is indeed a lot to ask.


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Medically and morally, doctors must deliver Equal Care to mother and child. The doctor must consider the needs of both patients in treatment decisions, doing his best to save both lives.
True, the doctor must do all he can to ensure survival of both mother and baby, but there may come a time when only one life can be saved, and thatlife will always be the mothers.

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Abortion is the direct, deliberate destruction of the unborn child. In the Equal Care concept, no one ever seeks to kill a child.
As I mentioned above, there may come a time when the fetus cannot be saved, and must be aborted.
Would Equal Care still apply if the fetus must be aborted?


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The next case is more common. It is called an ectopic pregnancy. The baby never reaches the womb, attaching instead to the wall of the Fallopian tube. That section of the tube must be removed or it will rupture, causing the deaths of both mother and child. There are no other treatment options. Again, the baby dies a natural death because we do not know how to save its life, too.
Ectopic pregnancy is something I would never wish to experience. A friend of mine suffered from one a few years ago, and although she was only a few weeks pregnant, it is simply horrifying how much pain can be caused by one tiny embryo. Thankfully, she has fully recovered, and had two more children since.

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The difference between these cases and abortion is the intent and actions of the doctor. In abortions, the intent is to destroy the child, and the actions directly carry out that intent. In Equal Care, the intent is to save as many lives as possible, even though we don't always succeed in saving them all.
I understand where you are coming from - but, as I have mentioned, not all lives can be saved under Equal Care - there may come a time when the pregnancy must be terminated to ensure the survival of the mother. Knowing this, isn't the intent of the doctors administering Equal Care to remove the fetus, thus aborting it?
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