What Dave is talking about is referred to as a "value stretch". It happens a lot to people in desparate situations. I wouldn't be too quick to judge people in those situations, lest I find myself in one similar. What Dave suggests has merit. People must get better information in times of bad choices. It would also be nice if we as a society were more willing to extend a friendly hand to people in such situations rather than (*)(*)(*)(*)ing them regardless of their decision once the initial mistake is made.

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Expelling a fetus from ones body is not murder. Whoever views it as murder is obviously confused and misguided. Can you really blame someone for controlling their body? I am sure women will evolve someday to crap out fetus' but until that day we have to use medical technology.

Its so ridiculous that abortion is even an issue, I doubt out of the millions of fetus' killed any have been missed. They are not people like you and I, they are expendable and disposable, we might as well get rid of them before they become important.

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Yes it is. To stop a human (at any stage in life) from performing all bodily functions is ending their life.

Obviously you can't read. According to the studies cited, a rather large majority of women who have abortions feel guilty of something. Now, to actually "miss" a person you would have to get to know their personality.

That's your opinion.....someone else out there would have the same opinion when they kill a 35 year old person. Their victim is expendable and disposable in their mind too.

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How does ending someones life make an act murder. That would mean self-defense and the death penalty would be murder too. Your arguement fails immidiately if thats your justification, not to mention it makes you a hypocrite.

Despite this, murder implies intent to kill. A women can simply have the intent to remove the fetus from her body, not the intent to kill it. How can you prove this in court, well you can simply get the women to sign a form before the procedure saying her only intent was to have the fetus removed.

Obviously I can read, I just don't feel like wasting a half hour of my life reading a long post that some moron couldn't summerize. People feel guilty of alot of things. Although having an abortion can create guilt, its doubtful that anyone is going to lose sleep over it.

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So, you're admitting it's not?

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MBA, Entrepreneurship/Marketing, City University, 1993

"No, Judge... I was not my intention to kill my son. I just wanted to remove him from the house." Somehow I don't think that would hold up in court.

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When a parent starves their child to death, they have murdered their child.
Yes, reading the facts can take some time out of your life, but name calling(every post you make contains that) and sense-less rhetoric takes no effort what-so-ever.

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Depends on the case. If the starving was a result of being confined in an unreasonably small space then yes. If the parent just failed to offer food to the child and the child dies then that would only be child neglect.

Even if abortion was illegal, you could simply just get a women to ingest a pill that would kill the fetus. Technically since the fetus is already dead, removing it from the womb would simply be cosmetic surgury. Would you go as far as to say you would regulate what people can and cannot ingest.

If yes, you might as well just call youself a totalitarian. If no, then leave abortion alone because you can only control people so much before you violate peoples rights. Anyhow, trampling on peoples rights is becoming a conservative trademark.

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http://www.womenscenter.org/procedur.htm Don't know how I got into the whole starving bit anyways. Abortion is not starvation. It is ripping a human body to shreds. Certainly not neglect.

Nobody should have the right to end an innocent human being's life against their will. It should not even be called a "right" or "choice" because it takes away every single right and choice of another human. I'm not the one ending anothers life, I'm the one standing up for their rights. If someone is guilty of being a totalitarian, it's the people killing another human. It's really simple, there should be no guaranteed right to end another's life. You are for oppression, not me.

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The problem comes when calling a fetus, or clump of cells, a sentient human life.