The fact that the fetus is inside a persons body is reason enough for that person to do whatever they want with it.

How I am for oppression. I am not encouraging people to get abortions. I am just saying people can do whatever they want with their own body. When a fetus is inside ones body, it is within that persons domain. Even though killing a fetus brings up the question of morality, it is wrong to dictate to people what they can and can't do with their own body. A fetus as well as any human would rather die than grow up in a world where choice is limited.

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Sentient, meaning capable of feeling or conscious...
I've never claimed a fetus is conscious. Obviously they are not.
Yes, since it is NOT just their own body. As long as they're not in danger of losing their own life, they should not have any more rights than the fetus. Again, I'm talking about equal rights here.
I disagree. I would rather grow up in a world where my rights are respected, not a world where someone else's rights are more important than mine.


**edited twice for browser problems. Opera is acting up on me and not recognizing some characters. :S

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Actually, if a fetus is inside a persons body than it is subject to that persons will. What you want to do is take away someones will power to manage the contents of their body. That is why society gives a fetus/infant rights after it leaves the body, to protect a women's right to choose. Theres no disputing that the women's right to choose is clearly more important than the fetus' privledge to live in ones womb.

When your world is the womb of another person I wouldn't count on getting any rights. You are subject to the will of that person, thats the reality thats not going to change.

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Click on the link below and read through page 5. It was a thread that Wildbore left alone because his/her argument didn't fair too well. The value this person places on human life is quite low. It's very sad.

http://www.politicalforum.com/viewto...=7280&start=64

It is true that fetus' mean very little to me. Its obvious that cats and dogs deserve to get rights before a fetus.

If you read half the page you can clearly notice that I won the arguement.

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Brilliant…well said! LOL. According to your post from the old thread (page 5) a fetus is a human life. So you believe that cats and dogs deserve rights before humans??? Again…BRILLIANT! LOL.

That’s the problem; you only read the top half of page 5. The bottom 2/3rd is where I dismantled your argument. Take a peek to refresh your memory. You were stumped by my last post. NO reply for 2 months and counting.

I don't know if it's something to do with Canadians or what...but I've seen virtually the exact same thing said before on my board. Something like adoption is cruel and they wouldn't treat a dog like that. They actually tried to tell me that it's even more humane to kill your cat or dog if you are moving somewhere and can't keep them than to give them to a friend who want's to take them in. I just can't argue with that logic....because it isn't really logic at all.

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I guess it would be if you were friends with a bunch of sadistic psychopaths.

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It would be a sad day when the rights of something that is not a human yet is on equal grounds to a real human that is already here. Until it becomes a baby, it counts as part of the mother's body.

I don't agree with giving away children like puppie. Not that I think it should be illegal, I just could never do it and don't see how anyone else could.

Adoption at least provides chance for something good.
Personally I think that adoption should be made simpler and that gay people or anyone else lacking a certain kind of criminal record should be able to adopt. Making adoption easier ensures that orphans will get parents. And as much as the religio-psychos may disapprove of certain lifestyles, having parents that care about you is better than not and certainly beats being aborted. Taking out the possibility of a kid being stuck in an orphanage or pushed through foster homes makes adoption a more attractive alternative and kills the whole "adoption is cruel" argument.
Pro-lifers should be pro-adoption. And I think instead of pointing out pictures of dead fetuses, it would be more productive to show potential aborters positive alternatives.

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