IS that it doesn't matter if a woman takes away life because it's her well being over her unborn child's. Sounds like justification for murder to me, and not a very good justification at that. There are plenty of people who would gladly adopt the unwanted baby. Abortion just seems to be such a waste to me. The women are traumetized, it makes people mad that they do it, and the child is killed. For what? Her "right" to choose?

If murder is a choice, it's a bad one. Someone's happiness, social life, or social status is not more important than another's life.

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It is a justification for killing, a good one in my mind. Murder does not apply when a person has a legal justification for the act, in this case a women is simply exercising her right.

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So abortion isn't murder so long as it's legal but is when it is illegal? Would you say the same if shooting a cheating spouse became legal? Or getting rid of a neighbor that steps on your porch to hand you some mixed up mail?

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Slavery was legal in the past. People were property. It seems that some still are. Many didn't care if slaves were killed back then, and people like you want to make sure that it keeps happening. You are a fool with absolutely no concept of human rights.

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If abortion is illegal then that still doesen't constitute a murder. Since a fetus is not really recognized under the law, one could get away with a large fine, perhaps some jail time for committing a banned act. If the justice system recognizes the fetus as a person under the law, then there is no doubt that when an abortion is discovered the doctor would be charged with murder and the to-be mother would be an accessory.

Yes I would say the same thing. As much as people agree or disagree with laws, they are there, you have to live with them.

Actually a fetus more closely resembles a random piece of garbage than property. You cannot buy/sell a fetus, a fetus cannot perform manual labour, a fetus cannot rebel, it exists inside someone, and that person has complete control over it. A fetus is pretty useless, that is one reason why I am not for overturning a women's right to choose. Abortion is not the ideal choice, but it is available to women, and few are going to lose sleep over the death of a fetus. HAHAHA, I am a fool because I speak the truth and want to protect women's rights... Sickntiredofliblies makes no sense. If anyone has a clear concept of human rights it is myself as I am not blinded by religion or patriarchy, like many of you are.

We can just put this in an analagy. Animal's have rights, but the mass slaughtering of livestock is OK. Personally I think millions of animals dieing per day is worse than hundreds of fetus' dieing per day, but farmers have the right to do this and I am not going to make an issue of it. Despite Women having the right to an abortion, the death of a fetus is suddenly a big issue. The vegetarians and pro-lifers have something in common, they both play politics with peoples rights, although there are alot more pro-lifers (far-right wingers).

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No matter how good you think the case is, it's still murder. It may not be the murder of a fully mature person, but it is a life that is developing and will one day become a human. Granted, this is not an easy ethical question, but I believe it is an important one that will become even more important in the future.

I do not believe that anything at all is gained from the killing of a fetus. It is a complete waste of life. A woman who does not want her child can just as easily give it up for adoption so that the child can grow up and lead a happy, fulfilling life.

There seems to be no legal or religous document that supports your statements, which is no surprise to me.

Not much is gained from aborting a fetus and it is a waste of life. That doesen't mean it can or should be stopped. Young people don't want to waste 9 months of their lives being pregnant and at the same time, deal with a mess of paperwork. Adoption is an option, but it won't be for long after every child is forced to come to term, the system would be overwelmed. With invetro-fertilization becoming better and more popular, soon the main demand for adoption will come from same-sex couples. So unless you want to start habouring mass numbers of kids in big shelters, abortion should be maintained.

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LEGAL DOCUMENTS: 32 states have that recognize the unlawful killing of an unborn child as homicide in at least some circumstances.
RELIGIOUS DOCUMENT: Bible

You over looked these documents, which is no surprise to me.


Did you read this after you wrote it? You’re basically saying that abortion is bad, but we should still allow it. Cocaine use, rape, and murder are also bad; do you think these things should be stopped or allowed?


Right!...because that would be such a drag! People shouldn’t have to take responsibility for their actions! LOL.


So you want to use abortion as a means of birth / population control? You are a proponent of irresponsibility and cowardice. How about this, if two people have sex and the woman gets pregnant…take care of your baby. Isn’t that a novel idea?

Never said puppies have more rights than children. I said I think it would be better to stop them from being born (not killed) than giving them away like puppies. I don't see how anyone could give their child away.

She also has the option of abortion as birth control until it is proven that a few week old fetus has consciousness.

If it ain't fully mature (capable of survival on its own, having consciousness, hell...stops resembling a blob) its not murder. Going out and killing a deer is worse than scraping out a blob.

They are. They are getting abortions. You want to take their right to responsiblity away and make the decision for them.

It is irresponsible. Its much easier to use other forms of birth control than to go through the procedure. Sometimes other methods fail though.

I do agree that parents should take care of their children....once they are children. Most of the pro-lifers on here don't seem to agree however. They support giving your child away.