The real "choice".

Often you'll here people mention the psychological trauma of carrying a child to term vs. the very simple procedure of an abortion.

Here are your real options.

Psychological effects of carrying a child to term vs. the psychological and physical effects of an abortion.

The abortion industry/planned parenthood claim to be looking out for your best interest. Your health is very important to them, so important, that they left out a few facts that may interest you as a woman considering abortion.

First off, the psychological damage is much much greater for woman who has an abortion compared to those who carry their child to term. There are lists from studies, but all you need to do is ask the woman who have had abortions in the past.

One example of the many available.
http://members.aol.com/poesgirl/survey2.htm

AFTER MY ABORTION, I EXPERIENCED FEELINGS OF: (N)

Strongly Disagree--to--Strongly Agree

1. Guilt (256) 0.4% 2.3% 4.7% 31.3% 61.3%
2. Depression (255) 0.4% 3.9% 7.5% 35.7% 52.5%
3. Anger (255) 1.2% 9.0% 9.0% 35.7% 45.1%
4. Sorrow (255) 0.4% 2.4% 5.5% 36.5% 55.3%

5. Happiness (241) 62.2% 22.4% 7.9% 5.4% 2.1%
6. Grief (255) 0.8% 5.5% 9.0% 40.8% 43.9%
7. Bitterness (251) 3.2% 8.8% 13.5% 34.7% 39.8%
8. Regret (257) 1.9% 3.5% 9.7% 32.7% 52.1%

9. Rage (245) 9.4% 20.0% 20.4% 21.2% 29.0%
10. Anguish (245) 2.0% 7.8% 14.3% 37.1% 38.8%
11. Remorse (254) 1.6% 5.9% 6.3% 41.3% 44.9%
12. Power (237) 58.6% 23.2% 12.2% 3.8% 2.1%

13. Despair (245) 2.4% 9.8% 13.9% 35.5% 38.4%
14. Shame (254) 0.4% 2.8% 5.9% 39.0% 52.0%
15. Horror (241) 4.6% 13.3% 23.2% 29.0% 29.9%
16. Unworthiness (254) 1.6% 3.9% 8.7% 33.5% 52.4%

17. Loneliness (250) 2.0% 6.8% 7.6% 38.4% 45.2%
18. Hopelessness (247) 2.0% 11.3% 13.4% 32.0% 41.3%
19. Helplessness (24 2.0% 14.1% 11.7% 31.5% 40.7%
20. Self-condemnation (251) 1.2% 2.4% 5.6% 33.9% 57.0%

21. Liberation (234) 44.4% 25.2% 16.7% 11.5% 2.1%
22. Rejection (23 4.6% 10.1% 24.8% 31.1% 29.4%
23. Confusion (250) 1.2% 6.4% 11.6% 44.4% 36.4%
24. Anxiety (24 1.6% 6.5% 10.5% 43.5% 37.9%

25. Constant stress (246) 2.0% 14.2% 19.5% 33.3% 30.9%
26. Withdrawal (245) 2.9% 15.5% 16.7% 33.1% 31.8%
27. Isolation (241) 3.3% 17.4% 17.4% 31.5% 30.3%
28. Sexual freedom (235) 40.0% 25.5% 19.1% 11.1% 4.3%


(N) Strongly Disagree--to--StronglyAgree

29. Self-hatred (250) 2.8% 6.8% 13.6% 33.2% 43.6%
30. Alienation from others (23 3.4% 20.6% 18.5% 31.9% 25.6%
31. Inner peace (237) 63.7% 25.7% 5.5% 2.1% 3.0%
32. Unforgiveness of self (25 1.9% 5.8% 6.6% 31.4% 54.3%


(N) Strongly Disagree--to--Strongly Agree

33. Unforgiveness of those involved (252) 5.6% 15.5% 14.7% 34.9% 29.4%
34. Having become degraded or debased (243) 2.1% 12.8% 17.7% 37.4% 30.0%
35. Having been exploited by other (243) 2.9% 15.2% 19.3% 30.9% 31.7%
36. Hatred of those involved (240) 7.9% 22.5% 22.9% 22.9% 23.8%
37. Hatred of man who made me pregnant (249) 15.3% 29.7% 20.1% 16.9% 18.1%
38. Hatred of all men (243) 23.0% 33.7% 19.8% 15.2% 8.2%
39. Fear of punishment from God (249) 4.4% 12.0% 13.3% 34.9% 35.3%
40. Fear of harm to my other children (21 17.0% 21.6% 12.8% 25.2% 23.4%
41. Fear of another pregnancy (245) 13.5% 23.7% 13.9% 25.3% 23.7%
42. Fear of needing another abortion (244) 24.2% 28.7% 12.3% 15.2% 19.7%
43. Fear of touching babies (246) 24.8% 37.0% 13.0% 13.8% 11.4%
44. Fear of others learning of abortion (255) 5.5% 9.4% 8.2% 42.0% 34.9%
45. Fear of making decisions (245) 6.9% 21.6% 23.3% 28.2% 20.0%
46. Fear for unknown reasons (245) 6.1% 16.3% 20.8% 28.6% 28.2%


AFTER MY ABORTION, I EXPERIENCED: (N)

Strongly Disagree --to-- Strongly Agree

1. Nightmares (241) 16.2% 22.4% 14.9% 28.6% 17.8%
2. Insomnia (243) 15.2% 25.5% 14.4% 25.5% 19.3%
3. Flashbacks to the abortion (249) 8.0% 18.1% 10.4% 35.3% 28.1%
4. Hysterical outbreaks (244) 11.1% 25.4% 12.7% 22.5% 28.3%
5. Uncontrollable weeping (242) 5.8% 14.5% 9.9% 35.5% 34.3%
6. Suicidal feelings (244) 12.3% 22.5% 9.4% 24.2% 31.6%
7. Greater closeness toward my lover (242) 51.7% 29.8% 9.1% 7.0% 2.5%
8. A loss of self-confidence (249) 2.4% 9.2% 12.9% 38.2% 37.3%
9. A loss of self-esteem (254) 1.2% 5.9% 10.6% 38.2% 44.1%
10. A loss of dignity (251) 1.2% 8.0% 10.4% 42.2% 38.2%
11. A general sense of loss (253) 1.6% 4.3% 7.9% 42.3% 43.9%
12. Greater self-awareness (237) 36.3% 27.8% 19.0% 11.8% 5.1%
13. Hallucinations related to abortion (233) 30.0% 41.6% 13.7% 6.9% 7.7%
14. Eating disorders such as bulimia anorexia, or binge eating. (241) 22.4% 31.5% 7.5% 20.3% 18.3%
15. A general sense of emptiness (24 1.6% 7.7% 7.3% 42.7% 40.7%
16. A loss of sympathy for others (242) 16.5% 22.7% 21.5% 22.7% 16.5%
17. A compulsion to be a perfect mother (231) 10.0% 19.0% 21.2% 24.7% 25.1%
18. An inability to keep jobs (232) 27.6% 33.6% 14.2% 15.9% 8.6%
19. A loss of concentration (236) 8.9% 22.5% 21.2% 29.2% 18.2%
20. A difficulty in maintaining and developing personal relationships (246) 9.3% 19.5% 14.2% 30.1% 26.8%


AFTER MY ABORTION, I BECAME: (N)

Strongly Disagree--to--StronglyAgree

1. Preoccupied with thoughts of death. (243) 14.4% 29.6% 13.2% 20.6% 22.2%
2. Preoccupied with thoughts of the child I could have had. (252) 5.6% 12.7% 10.3% 34.9% 36.5%
3. Excessively interested in pregnant women. (243) 21.0% 33.7% 15.2% 17.7% 12.3%
4. Excessively interested in babies. (244) 18.9% 28.3% 15.2% 19.3% 18.4%


NEGATIVE FEELINGS ABOUT MY ABORTION BECAME WORSE:

(N) Strongly Disagree--to--Strongly Agree

1. On the due date of pregnancy. (23 10.9% 25.6% 20.6% 21.8% 21.0%
2. On the anniversary of the abortion. (235) 11.5% 17.4% 19.6% 26.4% 25.1%
3. During a later pregnancy. (199) 16.1% 18.1% 11.1% 28.6% 26.1%
4. At the birth of a later child. (200) 19.5% 21.0% 10.5% 23.0% 26.0%
5. At the time of a later miscarriage. (151) 33.8% 28.5% 10.6% 11.3% 15.9%
6. When I later tried to get pregnant. (181) 24.3% 24.3% 11.0% 19.9% 20.4%
7. When exposed to pro-life propaganda. (242) 8.3% 9.9% 5.0% 38.8% 38.0%
8. When exposed to pro-choice propaganda. (227) 10.6% 15.0% 9.3% 31.3% 33.9%
9. When exposed to information in the mass media about fetal development. (239) 7.1% 8.4% 7.9% 34.3% 42.3%


AFTER MY ABORTION:

(N) Strongly Disagree--to--Strongly Agree

1. I felt more in touch with my emotions. (247) 37.7% 36.4% 14.2% 6.1% 5.7%
2. I felt a need to block out and stifle my feelings. (250) 3.2% 6.8% 10.8% 35.2% 44.0%
3. I needed to "force" myself to be happy. (250) 2.0% 10.8% 17.6% 38.8% 30.8%
4. I felt unable to grieve. (24 8.5% 17.7% 13.7% 35.1% 25.0%
5. My attitude toward life became more calloused or hardened. (245) 5.3% 11.4% 17.6% 35.5% 30.2%
6. I felt more in control of my life. (244) 41.8% 41.4% 9.4% 3.7% 3.7%
7. I started losing my temper more easily. (245) 5.3% 14.3% 21.2% 35.1% 24.1%
8. I became more violent when angered. (246) 10.6% 26.4% 15.4% 26.8% 20.7%
9. I began to drink more heavily. (244) 27.0% 27.5% 9.0% 19.3% 17.2%



If so, would you describe yourself as having become an alcoholic? (107)

Yes No Unsure
27.1% 50.5% 22.4%


10. I began to use, or increased my use of drugs.

(N) Strongly Disagree--to Strongly Agree

(234) 33.8% 20.5% 5.1% 21.4% 19.2%


If so, would you describe yourself as having become addicted?

(106) Yes No Unsure
25.5% 61.3% 13.2%


(N) Strongly Disagree--to--Strongly Agree

11. Because of my abortion experience, I underwent a dramatic personality change. (240) 6.7% 15.4% 26.7% 26.7% 24.6%

If so, the change was for the better.

(1 - worse, 5 - better)
(155) 61.3% 18.1% 12.9% 4.5% 3.2%

12. I experienced a radical change in my ideals and moral beliefs. (237) 8.4% 17.7% 29.5% 21.5% 22.8%

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Abortion clinics are the least regulated of any medical practice. It's common knowledge that woman are raped, molested, infected with diseases from unsterilized equipment, and many times physically damaged for life, and yes, they even die there.

Unfortunately, when these woman try to press charges or sue, their cases are continually thrown out of court by corrupt judges who are pawns for the abortion industry.

Read Read "Lime 5", the Abortion Industry Exposed. Written by Mark Crutcher, www.priestsforlife.org/lime5.html

Taken from "The Biblical View on Abortion" www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/ABORT.HTM

Quote:
1. The risk of pregnancy outside the womb which threatens the mother's life, is doubled for women who have had one abortion, and quadrupled where there has been two or more.

2. Miscarriages are almost twice as common for women who have aborted.

3. A study of 26,000 births indicated a more than threefold increase in the number of stillborn babies and deaths of newborns among mothers who have had an abortion.

4. Since about two or three women per hundred need a blood transfusion, there is an increased risk of exposure to hepatitis and AIDS.

5. Bleeding is more common in subsequent wanted pregnancies.

6. Many researchers have observed subsequent premature births and low birth weights.

7. Among women who have had abortions there is an increased risk of damage to the cervix.

8. A sevenfold increase in "placenta previa" (that's where the placenta covers the birth canal and often requires a Cesarean Section).

9. About twice the risk of breast cancer when abortions were performed in the first trimester, before completing a full term pregnancy. That's because God, in part, has designed the body to begin to prepare itself for the birth of that child; when that is aborted it creates certain risk factors in the body as the body retreats to try to compensate.

10. There is up to 30% greater risk of pelvic infection.

The statistics, however, are probably even grimmer since a woman who is injured will rarely go back to the doctor or facility where it occurred. Furthermore, complications often develop later and are not reported in connection with the abortion that caused them, nor is death always linked to abortion in reports and in death certificates.

When you look at the emotional effect, as I noted about the women in Japan, you find all kinds of interesting things:

1. Women having prior emotional or mental problems often become worse, and having an abortion produced such problems in women who previously had none.

2. Women who have had an abortion are more likely to experience guilt, depression, and be suicidal. However, the claim that a woman will commit suicide if she is denied an abortion (and that's what the liberationists tell us) is highly unlikely, because suicide is almost nonexistent among pregnant women. Over a 20 year period, 13,500 Swedish women were refused abortions—only three committed suicide. Very, very rare.

3. After an abortion a woman is far more likely to break up with her partner, whether she is married or not. Abortion just destroys everybody in the process.

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Revealed: how an abortion puts the next baby at risk
By Michael Day (Filed: 15/05/2005)

news.telegraph.co.uk/news...bort15.xml

Having an abortion almost doubles a woman's risk of giving birth dangerously early in a later pregnancy, according to research that will provoke fresh debate over the most controversial of all medical procedures.

A French study of 2,837 births - the first to investigate the link between terminations and extremely premature births - found that mothers who had previously had an abortion were 1.7 times more likely to give birth to a baby at less than 28 weeks' gestation. Many babies born this early die soon after birth, and a large number who survive suffer serious disability.

Peter Bowen-Simpkins: 'termination may have late complications'

The research leader, Dr Caroline Moreau, an epidemiologist at the Hôpital de Bicêtre in Paris, said the results of the study, which appear in the British Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, provided conclusive evidence of a link between induced abortion and subsequent pre-term births.

Last night anti-abortion campaigners seized on the evidence to demand that all women seeking a termination be warned, routinely, that they are jeopardising the well-being of future babies. A series of earlier, smaller studies had failed to provide clear evidence of a link and so women currently opting for an abortion are not warned of the risk.

Dr Moreau said: "Clearly there is a link. The results suggest that induced abortion can damage the cervix in some way that makes a premature birth more likely in subsequent pregnancies."

Her study compared the medical histories of 2,219 women with babies born at less than 34 weeks with another 618 who had given birth at full term. Overall, women who had had an abortion were 40 per cent more likely to have a very pre-term delivery (less than 33 weeks) than those without such a history. The risk of an extremely premature baby - one born at less than 28 weeks - was raised even more sharply, by 70 per cent. Abortion appeared to increase the risk of most major causes of premature birth, including premature rupture of membranes, incorrect position of the foetus on the placenta and spontaneous early labour. The only common cause of premature birth not linked to abortion was high blood pressure.

Mr Peter Bowen-Simpkins, a spokesman for the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists and a consultant obstetrician at the Sancta Maria Hospital in Swansea, said the study revealed that abortion might not be as safe as previously supposed. "This study shows that surgical termination of pregnancies may have late complications and may not be without risk," he said.

About 185,000 women have abortions in Britain each year, for social or medical reasons, and last night anti-abortion campaigners seized upon the new study as evidence that the risks have been underplayed.

Jack Scarisbrick, the chairman of the campaign group Life, said: ''We have been saying for years that surgical abortion inevitably increases the risk of later problems. It seems that the abortion procedure carries with it risks that women will know nothing about until they become pregnant with a 'wanted' child later on."

About 80,000 babies in the UK and Ireland are born prematurely each year; 17,000 of these need intensive care.

A spokesman for Marie Stopes International, which is the largest provider of abortions outside the NHS, said that women seeking terminations were not told of increased risks of premature births "because so far, they have not been established".

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The coalition on abortion/breast cancer.

www.abortionbreastcancer.com/

These articles Below are listed on the right side of this link.
www.abortionbreastcancer.com/start/

National Cancer Institute Covers up Abortion Cancer Link.

The coruption of Science by Ideology.

Dear Friends:

Earlier this month, one of the coalition's medical advisers, Professor Joel Brind, president of the Breast Cancer Prevention Institute (BCPI), published a new fact sheet on BCPI's Web site. Brind's fact sheet provides an analysis of the paper published in the British journal Lancet in March 2004 by Valerie Beral and her colleagues at Oxford. The fact sheet was released during my speaking tour in Europe. Nevertheless, I wish to offer some brief comments about it and share it with you in case you missed it.

Brind reveals that the Beral paper was misrepresented in the press as a complete analysis of the abortion-breast cancer (ABC) research. However, Oxford scientists conducted their analysis only after using a "highly biased selection process" to weed out fifteen published studies reporting risk elevations. Oxford scientists included 28 unpublished, never-peer reviewed studies in their review. This means that most of the 52 studies analyzed by Beral et al. are unpublished and, therefore, cannot be double-checked by other scientists for accuracy.

Brind raises additional objections to the Lancet paper, one of which is the double standard used by scientists when examining the ABC link in comparison with research concerning a different risk factor for breast cancer - combination hormone replacement therapy (HRT). As you might have expected, scientists raise the bar higher for abortion than for other risk factors for the disease.

When scientists set out to determine the risk elevation resulting from HRT use, they include the protective effect of early menopause. Scientists recognize that the earlier a woman goes into menopause, the lower her lifetime risk is for breast cancer. The woman who goes into early menopause is not overexposed to estrogen during monthly menstrual cycles.

Brind says that scientists properly determine HRT risk by comparing women who use HRT with women who gained the protective effect of early menopause.

However, when scientists study the ABC link, the recognized protective effect of childbearing is omitted. The earlier a woman has her first child, the more children she has, and the longer she breastfeeds, the lower her risk is.

Scientists studying the ABC link improperly compare women who've had abortions with women who didn't become pregnant. This produces a lower risk elevation than does a comparison between women who've had an abortion and women who've gained the protective effect of childbearing.

Women are not being told there are recognized and contested breast cancer risks of abortion. The doctor who performs an abortion increases a woman's statistical odds of developing the disease in two ways. She's not only deprived of the protective benefits of childbearing, but she's also left with an increased number of cancer-vulnerable cells in her breasts.

It is singularly remarkable that a respected journal such as the Lancet would have published this paper. However, abortion is a doctors' industry as well as a pharmaceutical industry. Governments help to fund cancer research and many of them are actively pursuing population control policies. It isn't at all surprising that scientists are doing some convoluted acrobatics.

Significantly, the Oxford group's benefactors include the United Nations Population Fund and the World Health Organization. Both have pursued population control policies, which have been abusive of women and their right to reproduce.

Spread the word to family and friends.

Sincerely,
Karen Malec
Coalition on Abortion/Breast Cancer
www.AbortionBreastCancer.com
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Abortion, breast cancer
linked in UK
Researcher set to announce national statistics showing connection

Posted: August 9, 2005
11:43 a.m. Eastern

© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

A British researcher tomorrow will present data from the UK that shows a connection between abortion and breast cancer in British women.

According to the Coalition on Abortion/Breast Cancer, British researcher Patrick Carroll, director of the Pensions and Population Research Institute in London, will present his findings at the Joint Statistical Meetings at the Minneapolis Convention Center – the largest gathering of statisticians in North America.


Carroll's research adds to a body of evidence showing women who have had one or more abortions – especially one prior to birthing their first child – are more susceptible to breast cancer.

The Coalition on Abortion/Breast Cancer reports Carroll's research cites three British breast cancer trends.

The first trend is that upper-class women are the most likely to develop breast cancer and die of the disease. For other cancers, lower social classes experience higher incidence and mortality rates. Abortion before a first birth and delayed first birth among upper class women provide the best explanations for this trend, Carroll says.

The second trend involves regional breast cancer rates of the British Isles. Breast cancer rates are greatest in the southeast (116 per 100,000) where abortion rates are higher than in other regions, whereas breast cancer is lowest in Ireland (97 per 100,000) where abortion is prohibited.

Carroll's research finds a third trend in the increase in breast cancer between 1971 and 2002. During those years, incidents of the disease rose 70 percent in the UK.

Says the Coalition on Abortion/Breast Cancer:

"Carroll's research is significant because he used national data reporting breast cancers and abortions. Therefore, it's free of any possibility of a hypothetical problem called 'recall bias.' Opponents of the abortion-cancer link have never provided credible evidence of recall bias. Nevertheless, they argue that research depending on interviews with women to report their abortion histories is flawed because more cancer patients than healthy women accurately report their abortions."

Evidence pointing to an abortion-breast cancer link, commonly known as the ABC link, is present in 29 of 38 published studies conducted worldwide since 1957. Seventeen of the 29 are statistically significant, which means there's a 95 percent certainty that the association is not by chance.

In 1996 Dr. Joel Brind, a professor of biology and endocrinology at Baruch College of the City University of New York and perhaps the most well-known ABC link researcher, conducted a meta-analysis and review of all the studies done in the previous decade and found a 30 percent increased risk of breast cancer for women choosing an abortion after a first full-term pregnancy and a 50 percent risk increase for women choosing an abortion before a first full-term pregnancy.

The basic biology underlying the ABC link boils down to the fact that breast cancer is linked to reproductive hormones, particularly estrogen. At conception, a woman's estrogen levels increase hundreds of times above normal – 2,000 percent by the end of the first trimester. That hormone surge leads to the growth of "undifferentiated" cells in the breast as the body prepares to produce milk for the coming baby.

Undifferentiated cells are vulnerable to the effects of carcinogens, which can give rise to cancerous tumors later in life. In the final weeks of a full-term pregnancy, those cells are "terminally differentiated" through a still largely unknown process and are ready to produce milk. Differentiated cells are not as vulnerable to carcinogens.

However, should a pregnancy be terminated prior to cell differentiation, the woman is left with abnormally high numbers of undifferentiated cells, therefore increasing her risk of developing breast cancer.



Spontaneous abortions, or miscarriages, are not generally associated with increased risk, since they generally occur due to insufficient estrogen hormones to begin with.

Those who denounce an ABC link, such as Planned Parenthood, attack the validity of Brind's and other researchers' studies.

"Undaunted by the absence of compelling evidence associating induced abortion with a woman's risk of developing breast cancer, anti-choice extremists insist on making the connection anyway," says Planned Parenthood on its website.

worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...E_ID=42570

Judgment awarded in abortion-breast cancer case
1st of its kind against clinic for failing to inform patient of increased risk

Posted: January 27, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

For the first time, an abortion clinic accepted an order of judgment for performing the procedure without informing the patient of psychological risks and increased risk of breast cancer.

The lawsuit against the All Women's Health Services clinic in Portland, Ore., was the second of its kind in the U.S. to be successfully prosecuted but the first to obtain a judgment.

Jonathan Clark, attorney for the 19-year-old plaintiff, told WorldNetDaily he believes the judgment "makes a pretty powerful statement about the science," indicating the clinic was not willing to argue against the claim that there is a link between abortion and breast cancer.

"This case was set to be tried in Multnomah County, which is a very liberal county where folks are inclined to lean towards abortion," he said. "But in the trial setting, the science would have come under close scrutiny."


The clinic made an offer of judgment last year enabling the plaintiff, who was 15 at the time of the May 2001 abortion, to win the lawsuit without a trial. The judge signed the agreement Monday. The amount of the judgment was not disclosed.

Karen Malec, president of the Coalition on Abortion/Breast Cancer, said in a statement that women in the position of the plaintiff will not receive justice until they file civil lawsuits.

"Women have been told lies about the research and have been cruelly exploited by two industries -- the breast cancer fund-raising industry and the abortion industry," she said.

The plaintiff has a family history of breast cancer, which she indicated on the clinic intake forms.

Malec points to research in 1994 at Seattle's Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center by Janet Daling and her colleagues, showing teenagers with a family history of the disease who procure abortions before age 18 have an incalculably high breast cancer risk.

Biological and epidemiological evidence also indicates abortions that occur before the birth of a first child are the most carcinogenic, Malec said.

In the process of researching the case, Clark said he came across many media headlines that slanted studies on abortion and breast cancer.

"As I read the studies, which we would have tried to bring into evidence [if there had been a trial], they often showed abortion does pose increased risk for breast cancer," Clark said.

As WorldNetDaily reported, scientists authoring a study examining a variety of physical and psychological consequences associated with abortion have recommended women be informed about the abortion-breast cancer link.

Is that enough, or do you need more?

I've never heard the argument used about post-birth trauma. It's only common sense that abortion creates as much or more trauma for the mother. And that is what all the data shows.

__________________
"It's never over... BOY!"
The Tall Man, Phantasm III

I never understood the women who go through the procedure and then feel awful about it. If they feel bad about it (they feel it was murder), why go through with it in the first place? Seems hypocritical to me. They did a procedure that they felt was murder to their own child. Sorta says something about themselves.

It's commonly known that it causes trauma to the mother, and that it needlessly kills the baby (when it could be given away for adoption) so why do we allow it? Why do we advocate it?

desperation.

Hmm. Your post seems ambiguously worded. Are you saying that you don't understand why a woman would go through the procedure in the first place? Or are you saying you don't understand why they would feel bad about it afterwards?

__________________
Theodore Lamar Heiks
BA, History/Political Science, Western State College, 1984
MBA, Entrepreneurship/Marketing, City University, 1993

I'm just saying there are two types of people. The type that see abortion as murder, and the type that don't. If you see abortion as murder and go through with it, it makes you a sadistic person. If you don't see it as murder, why feel guilty afterwards?

Oh! I guess that depends upon the time lag in between when she got the abortion and then finally becoming grief-stricken over the thought that she killed her baby. I was thinking in terms of the possibility that maybe a young woman might have an abortion or two , say, when she's maybe 18 or 22, get married by age 25, then have three babies by age 30. Probably, at ages 18-22, she thinks of her abortions as a good way to clean up a mess, but maybe by age 30, she might be saddened about why she doesn't have all five babies. But what do I know? I'm just a stupid man?

__________________
Theodore Lamar Heiks
BA, History/Political Science, Western State College, 1984
MBA, Entrepreneurship/Marketing, City University, 1993

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Actually, I think that they know it is wrong. The problem that they face is that these woman are desperate and there really is no easy answer for there unwanted pregnancy. We've all been in a desperate place at times in our lives and the one thing that desperation breeds, is willful ignorance. We believe things that we normally wouldn't believe because we are hearing what we want to hear. These woman are primed to be taken advantage of, and Government supported organizations like Planned Parenthood are more than happy to mislead and deceive them.

The women are just as much the victim as the child. If you look at my thread called "in their own words" in this same forum, you will see just a small part of the deception. This thread also shows some of it.

The abortion industry couldn't care less about a womans health, it's the mighty dollar at the expense of the womans health, and they will use their language of illusion to fool as many unsuspecting women as they can.

Peace

Anyone who thinks its wrong and goes through with it is pretty low imo. If you're going to have an abortion, you'd better consider it not being murder.