The child will be born if the mother wishes it to be born.

How do you know the baby was a boy? You said that you didnt know how the wife knew she was pregnant without 'proof' yet somehow you knew the baby was a boy?

Of course it is.

You said you were not ready to be a father. That is being unsupportive. She had the abortion because you were unsupportive. You say that was not true when it clearly was.

What is the problem?

Look up the frigging website. Its an anti choice craphole lying to women who are pregnant!

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“If we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people to not kill each other? Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want.” ~Mother Teresa

"Modern feminists support child murder and sexism. Truly disgusting people. Truly." ~Sibboleth

That is a fact, a very well documented one, why lie about it?

Are you saying the doctor should lie in order to allow other possible conclusions?

You are kidding right?

Is the exact reverse not also true?

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The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...

Let's say you're right. What would you recommend? Would you like to see three organizations, one pushing abortion, one pushing adoption, and one pushing raising the child yourself? Would you like to see a Standard Government Subsidy available, equal to all, and sufficient to cover EITHER the cost of abortion or the cost of prenatal care and childbirth, so there would be no economic incentive either way, for the woman (regardless of choice) or the organization?

Then a prospective customer could visit each organization, listen to their pitch, and make an informed decision. And nobody would have any need to PRETEND to be offering a service they either flat don't offer, or strongly de-emphasize.

We could even pass a law requiring each organization to recommend visits to the other two, or require visiting all three before making any decision.

Would anything like that satisfy you?

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Why do you assume the nurse is lying? Perhaps she was mistaken, perhaps the embryo didn't have a heartbeat. Why would the nurse care one way or the other if the woman had an abortion?

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Saying it over and over again doesn't make it true; I hope you realize this. If Planned Parenthood cared all that much about adoption, their website wouldn't point out the mental anguish faced by mothers who give their child up for adoption, claiming that abortion carries less risk. They talk about adoption and its benefits, but then they go on to mention the "potential problems" and they embellish. And if they cared all that much about adoption, the nurse in the video I offered wouldn't have lied, and the doctor wouldn't have said that abortion is "much, much, much safer than pregnancy."

Women giving their children up for adoption DO face mental anguish, do you think PP should LIE about THAT? There is no embellishment there. Abortion IS much, much safer than pregnancy/childbirth, more than 10 times safer, so who's embellishing?

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Planned Parenthood abortions outnumber their adoption referrals 115 to 1. Sorta sounds to me like they push abortion, considering that's the most lucrative part of their business.

PP is not an adoption agency, they merely refer patients who request it. It seems normal that abortions would outnumber adoptions.

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Sooner or later you will realize that in a reality based community, there is a difference between actual choice and influenced choice. Planned Parenthood is no different than the pro-life organizations you unjustly criticize.

PP is different, they are non-profit and have no ax to grind. Crisis Pregnancy agencies exist for ONE reason: to prevent abortion. And they will go to any lengths to do that.

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I suppose you think "Birth Choice" doesn't include adoption. Planned Parenthood, you say, cares about adoption and offers it as a choice, but of course the pro-life organizations, in your mind, are too devilish for that.

Actually, some of the Crisis Pregnancy centers exist to get babies for adoption, they are paid big bucks for them. The more evil ones refuse to give a woman any assistance until they agree to adoption. They are truly evil. You should do more reading on the subject.

http://jezebel.com/5351936/crisis-pr...ficial-orphans
While there is growing awareness of how CPCs hinder abortion access, the centers have a broader agenda that is less well known: they seek not only to induce women to "choose life" but to choose adoption, either by offering adoption services themselves... or by referring women to Christian adoption agencies. Far more than other adoption agencies, conservative Christian agencies demonstrate a pattern and history of coercing women to relinquish their children.

http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/...ngs/index.html

Right-wing "crisis pregnancy centers" are even more corrupt than you think
By Lynn Harris
We like to say that abortion opponents care about what happens to babies only until they're born. Well, turns out we might be wrong. In many cases they do care what happens post-partum -- far, far too much. In "Shotgun Adoption," a truly chilling investigative report in the current issue of the Nation, "Quiverfull" author Kathryn Joyce reveals that so-called (and taxpayer-funded) crisis pregnancy centers (CPCs) often have an extreme-Christian agenda even more corrupt than using false pretenses and scare tactics to pressure women to continue challenging pregnancies. That is: They don't just coerce women to have children. They coerce women to give their children up

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Love the double-standard you routinely operate with. The unassailable fact of the matter, which you'll never recognize, is that these pro-life groups offer just as much choice as Planned Parenthood. The only difference are the type of choices they offer.

Crisis Pregnancy centers offer NO CHOICE to women who want abortions. The only choice is keep the baby or give it up, and some do not allow that option.

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This raises a point our oh-so-honest anti-choice advocate tends to gloss over. If you are a girl faced with an unexpected pregnancy for which you are unprepared in every possible way, you certainly have no shortage of religion-affiliated "help" to go to. None of which offers, or will even tolerate discussion of, abortion. If you regard abortion as one legitimate alternative (whether or not you end up going with it), what choices do you have out there?

Planned Parenthood doesn't "push" abortions - they OFFER abortions and nobody else does. They're about the only place such women can go. And in reality, most of the girls who wouldn't dream of an abortion tend to be highly religious, and their church can always lead them straight to any number of faith-based "crisis pregnancy" centers. Though why a WANTED pregnancy would be a crisis, I can't guess.

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In fairness to the places that due to dogmatic reasons will not, can not, offer balanced advice, can we and should we expect them to and if not should we expect them to just close?

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The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...

Absolutely not! They are just as entitled to their view as anyone else, and should have the freedom to express it and act on it just like anyone else.

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