Before denying communion to or excommunicating anyone for their political beliefs on choice, the Catholic Church should be reminded that 2/3rds of American Catholics support choice.

And besides, I don't take any spiritual guidance from so-called religious figures who for decades allowed hundreds of children to be sexually raped.

And when are the Bishops going to start excommunicating those politicians who support the death penalty?

I just think its dangerous to have a church take an official position--and then threaten to excommunicate dissenting voices within the church--on a political issue like this. Making it a sin to vote a certain way is kind of silly... after all, nobody wants to be out of God's bad graces protecting the rights of others.

Anywho, its all reminiscent of the older Catholic Church. Who's going to post the next 99 Theses?

As a non-catholic, I feel the Roman Catholic church, foremost among churches has been instrumental in exercising an offical (political) agenda since before the days of Charlamaine etc. The Pope has exercised a political and military defacto role in the "order" of Europe through to burning heretics and the inquisition to contemporary times when it still retains a stranglehold on many aspects of social life in Italy. Surrendering political power is never easy and the holder (th echurch) will always use the more extreme options available the more threatened it feels. The best suggestion to any practicing catholic I can make is - stand your ground. If you believe in God he is there to hear you and turn your back on the intermediaries and proferors of ritual. Thatis alll communion is, ritual, I had a partner, a devote catholic who told the priest to "stuff" communion when he threatened her with withdraw of communion. She continued to attend church and never took communion again. So what I say... she was a peace with her "Roman Catholic" God and did not need the priests blessing for that.
Further when a child, I knew of a local catholic priest who was threatened with public exposure when it was heard he was instructing his congregation to vote a particular way. In "protestant" England, such direction was taken as a serious abuse of office and interference in secular society

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I'm Pro-Life.

I am against Abortions.

My reasoning is that this situation is created by unfair social economical factors. When the economy is fair and balanced my theory is there would be no such thing as abortion.

Correct the social and economical factors and there would be no need for Abortions in the first place.

Also strengthen fair religious approaches or rather tolerance.

Exactly what social factors do you think need to be corrected? I'm just curious.


-Demosthenes

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I am Muslim! and I am against abortions simply because there is an Hadith saying that aborting a fetus is unIslamic by Prophet Muhammad.

The issue was connected to an social-economic situation when the incident happened during Prophet Muhammad's time. I am sure that it is relevant today.

It was something to with a female not able to take of her child because she was poor. She intentionally aborted by some action and then Prophet Muhammad mentioned something about freeing a slave because of this action.

In today's society the abortion issue is connected with morality and economics of the family. Therefore, if the standard of living is adjusted and people follow their moral compass there would be no need for abortions.

[quote="Beagle66";p="16168"]Before denying communion to or excommunicating anyone for their political beliefs on choice, the Catholic Church should be reminded that 2/3rds of American Catholics support choice.

And besides, I don't take any spiritual guidance from so-called religious figures who for decades allowed hundreds of children to be sexually raped.

The above statement is childish.. grow up. No one in this world says raping children is ok... ever. But all religions have an hirearchy that is driven by power and greed.. every religion. The true Catholic is horrified by those priests and want them judged by mans laws.

there are 10 commandments... and one of them is thou shall not kill.

if you boil life down to those ten commands... your life would be very easy.

Christians have an obligation to not support anyone who is pro-abortion. Period. If you do... you're not a christian. And you can't be a half way christian... you either are or you're not.

Just ask God!

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That is not a Christian Obligation, It is your own Judgemental Opinion.

Real Christians support those who need support, selflessly and regardless of differences of opinion... that I guess is one of the differences between the Catholic Church and Real Christians.

When a church is built on corruption (the strong ties between the office of the Pope, cardinals and "commerce"), murder of dissidents (burning Heretics), perversion and bigotry (Cover of the sexual abuse by pedophile priests whilst preaching sexual repression ot the congregation), it knows of no other way than that of the corrupt, murderous, bigotted and perverted

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If you believe in God you cannot support anyone who is Pro-abortion. God gave us only Ten Commandments... and the one about "thou shall not kill" covers abortion and the death penalty.

We can play word games all we wants. we can lie to each other. We can lie to every person on earth... but We cannot lie to ourselves or God. You can argue this issue until your tongue falls out... but if you really believe in God... then you cannot lie to him. Think about this... you meet God when you die… and he says... why did you kill your baby??? What could anyone possibly say???? What could any woman say?

We can't stop someone, or judge someone who gets an abortion... that is not our job. But judged she will be ... I don't care if she's Jewish, Catholic, Muslim, Lutheran, Methodist... if she truly believes in God (not someone who just goes to church to cover her bases) but I mean really believes in God and Judgment day... she knows she will be judged.

[quote="Cristian";p="19159"]I'm Pro-Life.

I am against Abortions.

My reasoning is that this situation is created by unfair social economical factors. When the economy is fair and balanced my theory is there would be no such thing as abortion.