Thread: Christian Hypocrisy; Biblical God is NOT pro-life

Originally Posted by MegadethFan

You have as yet to pout all these passages into the "context" you keep saying makes them 'completely valid'.

I never said they would be "completely valid," so you've just shown yourself to be a liar. I said you would understand them a little better if you were to put them in the proper context.

You must understand that God did not write the Bible and drop it down to earth. It was inspired by God, but written by man. That is the first thing you must understand. The second is how things were dealt with in that time; brutal, archaic laws won the day.

Those are two things to consider.

Before we move on, I would like to say that I doubt you would comprehend what it is I'm telling you. I have not been impressed with your reasoning abilities thus far; the other thread provides a perfect example of what I'm talking about. I answered the question[s] you asked, and you responded with the same question all over again, pretending as though I didn't give you an answer. You use non-facts to make your argument, and you apparently don't read your sources, because one of them contradicted what you said two sentences before. This is not indicative of someone deserving of a meaningful response.

Not only that, but why should any of us bother with someone who copied and pasted from www.evilbible.com; it's not really worth my time.

Start using a little common sense or nobody is going to bother with you.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

I never said they would be "completely valid," so you've just shown yourself to be a liar.

Ok so they are not valid and thus God does indeed advocate infanticide etc. Thanks for conceding.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

I said you would understand them a little better if you were to put them in the proper context.

Oh, so you do think God allowed abortion and infanticide, good.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

You must understand that God did not write the Bible and drop it down to earth. It was inspired by God, but written by man. That is the first thing you must understand.

So? That doesn't change the fact God told them to kill kids.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

The second is how things were dealt with in that time; brutal, archaic laws won the day.

LOL So that changes it eh? Nice accuse, doesn't hold up unfortunately.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

Those are two things to consider.

Done and dusted.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

Before we move on, I would like to say that I doubt you would comprehend what it is I'm telling you. I have not been impressed with your reasoning abilities thus far; the other thread provides a perfect example of what I'm talking about. I answered the question[s] you asked, and you responded with the same question all over again, pretending as though I didn't give you an answer.

No I responded with different questions and you responded with the same answers.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

You use non-facts to make your argument, and you apparently don't read your sources, because one of them contradicted what you said two sentences before.

What did it contradict? LOL I provided evidence - you didnt.

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Let me guess so now you are going to say "oh I cant debate you you arent worth it" and run.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

Not only that, but why should any of us bother with someone who copied and pasted from www.evilbible.com; it's not really worth my time.

So they aren't form the Bible. Granted the website is weird, but the passages are still true.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

Start using a little common sense or nobody is going to bother with you.

So let me guess - you're gonna cop out epically instead of showing how my points are actually wrong and "out of context." LOL

Originally Posted by MegadethFan

Ok so they are not valid and thus God does indeed advocate infanticide etc. Thanks for conceding.

Try your argumentative fallacies with someone else, would ya?

Apparently you didn't learn how to debate at that "pretty (*)(*)(*)(*) good private school" you attended.

Oh, so you do think God allowed abortion and infanticide, good.

Did God allow those acts to happen? Sure. God allows a lot of things to happen; he does not cause things to happen.

If you think religion is about God stepping in all the time, you're wrong. (Though being wrong is not something new to you, I imagine.)

So? That doesn't change the fact God told them to kill kids.

Incorrect.

LOL So that changes it eh? Nice accuse, doesn't hold up unfortunately.

It holds up beautiful; sensible people know this.

Done and dusted.

You failed to comprehend them. Comprehension problems are rather common in Aussie-land, I've noticed.

No I responded with different questions and you responded with the same answers.

No. You responded with the same idiotic question over and over again. I gave you an answer; you didn't comprehend it.

What did it contradict? LOL I provided evidence - you didnt.

You claimed that fetuses can hear at sixteen-weeks. Your own source contradicted that statement a few lines down.

Didn't they teach you to read in that "pretty (*)(*)(*)(*) good private school" you attended?

Let me guess so now you are going to say "oh I cant debate you you arent worth it" and run.

Why would I run? Responding to you is like strolling in the park. It takes me about 40-seconds.

So they aren't form the Bible.

Argumentative fallacy.

Granted the website is weird, but the passages are still true.

You shown that you cannot do your own research. Pretty pathetic.

Though, I would think that at that "pretty (*)(*)(*)(*) good private school" you attended, things like that would be taught on a regular basis.

So let me guess - you're gonna cop out epically instead of showing how my points are actually wrong and "out of context." LOL

You make no valid points; that's your problem.

P.S. Maybe your parents should get a refund from that "pretty (*)(*)(*)(*) good private school" you attended.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

Try your argumentative fallacies with someone else, would ya?

LOL Fail.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

Apparently you didn't learn how to debate at that "pretty (*)(*)(*)(*) good private school" you attended.

Oh yeah the school you love so much. LOL You must be jealous.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

Did God allow those acts to happen? Sure. God allows a lot of things to happen; he does not cause things to happen.

He did cause by telling them to do it. God loves to kill kids mate.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

If you think religion is about God stepping in all the time, you're wrong. (Though being wrong is not something new to you, I imagine.)

LOL! Never heard of Jesus then eh?

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

Incorrect.

How?

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

You failed to comprehend them. Comprehension problems are rather common in Aussie-land, I've noticed.

LOL Thank God most Aussies are like that, it explains a lot.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

No. You responded with the same idiotic question over and over again. I gave you an answer; you didn't comprehend it.

LOL Yep sure, run along now.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

You claimed that fetuses can hear at sixteen-weeks. Your own source contradicted that statement a few lines down.

Where? They showed at either 16 weeks or later they could hear as the brain began to operate.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

Didn't they teach you to read in that "pretty (*)(*)(*)(*) good private school" you attended?

Oh that school where I got an education which others, who I speak to, didn't get a chance to obtain. LOL You know your jealously is a sin. HAHA!

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

Why would I run? Responding to you is like strolling in the park. It takes me about 40-seconds.

Then respond to my last reply. Oh wait you cant because you lost.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

Argumentative fallacy.

How?

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

Though, I would think that at that "pretty (*)(*)(*)(*) good private school" you attended, things like that would be taught on a regular basis.
Hey what school did you go to?

Oh yeh you didnt answer that, probably because you didnt go to any.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

You make no valid points; that's your problem.

LOL A sane person understands them just fine and can see they are perfectly valid.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

P.S. Maybe your parents should get a refund from that "pretty (*)(*)(*)(*) good private school" you attended.
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LOL Jealously is a sin. Oh dont worry you can get God to kill all the kids so the school goes bankrupt.

Originally Posted by MegadethFan

LOL Fail.

Is this the pitiful response you came up with to hide the fact that you don't know what I'm talking about?

Oh yeah the school you love so much. LOL You must be jealous.

I just thought it was rather funny that someone who thinks himself astute would feel the need to give us his educational resume. I'm trying to figure out why you brought it up when it had nothing to do with the conversation at hand.

He did cause by telling them to do it. God loves to kill kids mate.

In the passages I responded to this evening, God did not tell anyone to do anything. That's where you have it wrong.

LOL! Never heard of Jesus then eh?

You have displayed your ignorance of Christianity yet again.

How?

Figure it out.

LOL Thank God most Aussies are like that, it explains a lot.

It explains why so many of you Australians around here are anti-life and anti-God. You apparently lack the ability to comprehend. In fact, simple comprehension would have cleared up many of those questionable passages immediately.

LOL Yep sure, run along now.

I fully intend on putting you in your place before I go anywhere.

Where? They showed at either 16 weeks or later they could hear as the brain began to operate.

No. It was nineteen-weeks, not sixteen. You spouted off without reading your source and you were caught. At least have the integrity to admit you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

That was obvious when you claimed that fetuses are not human beings until sixteen-weeks; you attempted to use your own personal beliefs to define humanity. When your logic was found to be in error, you just kept repeating it and contradicting your own sources.

Yet you're so smart....

Oh that school where I got an education which others, who I speak to, didn't get a chance to obtain. LOL You know your jealously is a sin. HAHA!

Yes. You sound like a mature, educated individual.

Then respond to my last reply. Oh wait you cant because you lost.

I did respond. And I must say you really do sound educated; what with declaring victory every three-seconds. Obviously something educated people - who have offered nothing of substance - routinely do.

How?

Figure it out.

Oh yeh you didnt answer that, probably because you didnt go to any.

Again, you sound like such an educated person. I'm sorry, but I don't feel the need to make up grandiose life stories about myself, unlike some people.

LOL A sane person understands them just fine and can see they are perfectly valid.

They are anything but valid.

LOL Jealously is a sin. Oh dont worry you can get God to kill all the kids so the school goes bankrupt.

Again, you sound like such an educated person.

In any event:

I will be putting Mega on ignore, because he is hardly worth the time. I encourage everyone to read his idiocy for evidence of this. I respond now only because I want to clear this up for those who may be wondering.

I will attempt to explain the Christian interpretation of these passages.

Let’s start with Hosea 9:11-16.

A better translation is required first, however:

11)Ephraim's glory shall fly away like a bird—no birth, no pregnancy, no conception!

The asinine website Mega copied the material from uses a bad translation. In truth, the Bible doesn’t say these children will be murdered, but that they will never exist. There is a big difference.

That hardly seems necessary to explain, given that the book is a “symbolic representation.” The book is merely an allegory. It was to serve as a warning to the people of Ephraim. It is not generally received as a historical account among Christians.

Here

The next cherry-picked account is Numbers 5:11-21

This is a description of a “curse” that will cause a woman to miscarry if she has cheated on her husband. When a woman was required to go through this ritual, she could either admit having an affair (if she had) or drink the water to prove she was telling the truth. If she was, she’d be fine. If not, she’d miscarry.

Your first impression may be that God is an abortionist. That’s not the case. If the woman had an affair, it was of her own doing. If she lied during the ritual and drank the water knowing she was lying, it was her own doing. She could always admit the truth.

Number 31:17

Moses, Eleazar, and all the leaders of the congregation went to meet the returning army outside the camp. Moses was furious with the army officers—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—as they came back from the battlefield: "What's this! You've let these women live! They're the ones who, under Balaam's direction, seduced the People of Israel away from God in that mess at Peor, causing the plague that hit God's people. Finish your job: kill all the boys. Kill every woman who has slept with a man. The younger women who are virgins you can keep alive for yourselves.

The following explanation may not be understood unless you have sufficient knowledge of the actual conflict, so I would implore you all to research it.

1). The women had to die because they were a major cause of the conflict. Some of the same problems would have occurred again if they were allowed to live.

2). The children were killed because Moses thought he was doing them a favor. If they had been left to live, many of them would have starved to death, and others would have been taken as slaves by the Moabites.

You have to understand the Bible in its entirety and be able to put things into context. The people made their choices and suffered the consequences. God did not cause these things to happen; the people did.

It might be well for you to consider that the times in which these people lived were radically, radically different. You will also have to consider that man wrote the Bible, not God.

2 Kings 15:16

God doesn’t rip the women open; King Menahem does.

It seems to me that the majority of “problems” atheists find with the Bible is purely the result of their not understanding God. God allows all kinds of things to happen, because we have free will. He doesn’t cause them to happen.

I will respond to the rest of the passages tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

Is this the pitiful response you came up with to hide the fact that you don't know what I'm talking about?

No, what you said was a fail.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

I just thought it was rather funny that someone who thinks himself astute would feel the need to give us his educational resume. I'm trying to figure out why you brought it up when it had nothing to do with the conversation at hand.

You asked me what education I had. Talk about irony. So where were you educated btw? You never got around to reciprocally answering the question.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

Figure it out.

LOL Fail! I thought you'd say that. HAHA

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

It explains why so many of you Australians around here are anti-life and anti-God. You apparently lack the ability to comprehend. In fact, simple comprehension would have cleared up many of those questionable passages immediately.

I'm still waiting.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

I fully intend on putting you in your place before I go anywhere.

waiting....

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

No. It was nineteen-weeks, not sixteen.

Show me.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

You spouted off without reading your source and you were caught. At least have the integrity to admit you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

LOL How was I wrong? Please use my sources to show me. btw use ALL of them/

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

That was obvious when you claimed that fetuses are not human beings until sixteen-weeks; you attempted to use your own personal beliefs to define humanity. When your logic was found to be in error, you just kept repeating it and contradicting your own sources.

Yes that's right, as unbelievable as it is to you., I used science to answer the question of when life begins. You never justified your position with any logic let alone science.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

Again, you sound like such an educated person. I'm sorry, but I don't feel the need to make up grandiose life stories about myself, unlike some people.

LOL So basically you ask questions that you yourself can never answer when they get turned around. Yes hypocrisy and double standards are a very common quality of failures.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

They are anything but valid.

How? Show me how.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

Again, you sound like such an educated person.
In any event:
I will be putting Mega on ignore, because he is hardly worth the time. I encourage everyone to read his idiocy for evidence of this. I respond now only because I want to clear this up for those who may be wondering.

LOL Epic fail! Had to put me on ignore! BAHAHAHA! WIN!

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

I will attempt to explain the Christian interpretation of these passages.
Let’s start with Hosea 9:11-16.
A better translation is required first, however:

The asinine website Mega copied the material from uses a bad translation. In truth, the Bible doesn’t say these children will be murdered, but that they will never exist. There is a big difference.
That hardly seems necessary to explain, given that the book is a “symbolic representation.” The book is merely an allegory. It was to serve as a warning to the people of Ephraim. It is not generally received as a historical account among Christians.
Here
The next cherry-picked account is Numbers 5:11-21
This is a description of a “curse” that will cause a woman to miscarry if she has cheated on her husband. When a woman was required to go through this ritual, she could either admit having an affair (if she had) or drink the water to prove she was telling the truth. If she was, she’d be fine. If not, she’d miscarry.
Your first impression may be that God is an abortionist. That’s not the case. If the woman had an affair, it was of her own doing. If she lied during the ritual and drank the water knowing she was lying, it was her own doing. She could always admit the truth.

LOL So basically God kills babies and blames it on women! I love it!

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

Number 31:17
The following explanation may not be understood unless you have sufficient knowledge of the actual conflict, so I would implore you all to research it.

1). The women had to die because they were a major cause of the conflict. Some of the same problems would have occurred again if they were allowed to live.
2). The children were killed because Moses thought he was doing them a favor. If they had been left to live, many of them would have starved to death, and others would have been taken as slaves by the Moabites.
You have to understand the Bible in its entirety and be able to put things into context. The people made their choices and suffered the consequences. God did not cause these things to happen; the people did.
It might be well for you to consider that the times in which these people lived were radically, radically different. You will also have to consider that man wrote the Bible, not God.

So basically you concede my point - God killed women, children. Sorry - no war, conflict or anything can justify this.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

2 Kings 15:16
God doesn’t rip the women open; King Menahem does.

Yeh, which God allowed.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

It seems to me that the majority of “problems” atheists find with the Bible is purely the result of their not understanding God.

Lucky I'm not an atheist or I would have made that mistake.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

God allows all kinds of things to happen, because we have free will. He doesn’t cause them to happen.

LOL Yeh he's just so loving and kind he orders people to be killed and allows abortion and infanticide to happen amongst his followers.

Originally Posted by Libertarian920

I will respond to the rest of the passages tomorrow.
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LOL I hope it is just as entertaining!

I wandered why I had no response, then I saw the 'banned' thingy.

Originally Posted by MegadethFan

1. I'm not a liberal.
2. Putting these into context to 'justify them' is virtually impossible since it is the acts themselves that make no sense.
3. They were not cherry picked.

You are not liberal? LMAO

People are always telling me in my Sanger thread……"they are false…put then into context"….. Well that applies to you pro-aborts. So like it has been suggested….PUT THEM INTO CONTEXT, EVERY ONE OF THEM.

Of course they were cherry picked. You did not post all the ones that justify and protect the life in the womb.

So you sought out to bash God and His intentions from the get-go. This is more than about abortion…its about bashing God in the process.

God loves the life in the womb…there is no doubt.


http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/prolife.html

I don't want to be harsh but when does it make it alright to commit acts against the innocent, reading many of the stories here listed it makes me cringe. We dragged Nazi SS and others into courts over crimes that god either did himself, ordered through prophets to do or by the Torah allowed to be done in his name.

Shouldn't his sense of justice be at least on par with common decency of modern war crimes law we have as mere humans he is god, if he is god then he had the power to show mercy and make a point.

Example instead of blasting Egypt with ten plagues why not have had Moses walk unto pharoah, slam staff on the floor and rapture the entire population of Hebrews in a mighty divine act, with all their dwellings and goods and say half the wealth of Egypt and presto in the Promised Land in one night. I would think that would make the point and not have to hurt anyone. But nope he had to smash Egypt with ten divine plagues for sport and to just be mean. Noting in this he must have killed children, non-Hebrew slaves and foreign visitors seems to me not a good act.

I can go on with other examples there are enough of them.