"As many as 50 percent of all pregnancies may end in miscarriage, because many losses occur before a woman realizes she is pregnant.2"


2. Wilcox, A.J., et al. Incidence of Early Loss of Pregnancy. New England Journal of Medicine, volume 319, number 4, July 1988, pages 189-194.


First, to make my stance clear so that nobody misinterprets it. I do not take aborting lightly and think it is a serious choice to be made. That said, I think that the government has no right to make this choice for people.

The thing I want to understand is this: If abortion is murder, then doesn't the above research suggest that god is the fastest working abortion doctor on the planet? Should we send bombs into the sky to blow up his unholy clinic?

What makes me sick with frustration is people who say life begins at conception, abortion is murder period etc. (most of these people are OK with killing adults of course)

Of course, it takes an AMAZING amount of arrogance to pretend to know the wishes or intentions of the alleged creator of the UNIVERSE. But for the sake of argument, lets take theology at face value. (ugg im going to need a shower.) If all of these naturally aborted babies haven't been baptized then aren't they going to limbo (?) So god lets women get pregnant, gives the child a soul coupled with original sin, and then forbids them from going to paradise before they can redeem themselves.

Even if you personally don't believe in the specifics mentioned above, it seems pretty clear that if you think abortion is murder, we should bring god to a Texan courthouse and put on trial for mass murder. (of course we already knew he was a murderer from the old testament, but god only slays the guilty.... or those who happen to be standing in the wrong place at the wrong time.)

This is going to be hard to swallow, but try to read it with an open mind.

God allows miscarriages to strengthen the mother. All pains and tribulations are designed to strengthen the sufferer in some way. One cannot know certain truths about oneself and the universe until one is somehow emotionally broken. Until you have been at that point, it is hard to understand this philosophy. Also, I believe, as most Protestants do, that unsaved babies go to Heaven. We do not believe in Limbo, nor do we place any spiritual significance in baptism.

Abortion, on the other hand, is the willful killing of a unborn human being that has done nothing to deserve such punishment. In my view, they would be going to a better place, but that is not our decision to make. God has set down very specific rules about killing.

Finally, even if you are not of a religious persuasion, look at it this way: you have no idea whom you are killing. That unborn child could have been the next Teddy Roosevelt, the next Plato, the next Tchaikovsky. I think we all need to take a step back and look at what a life can really be. One life can change the world, unless it is extinguished before it begins.

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Heroes of unwritten story,
Nurslings of one mighty Mother,
Hopes of her, and one another;

Rise like Lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number,
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you -
Ye are many - they are few.

- Percy Shelley, "The Masque of Anarchy"

The people killed by abortionists did not make that choice. Our government does not allow them to. In fact since they are only capable of developing their bodies and not capable of communication we can only assume that their choice is to go on living. Our government allows others to take away their choices.

Abortion defined by our laws is when one or more humans ends a human fetus's life. Miscarriage is when a life ends naturally without humans forcing it to die.

I'm sorry that science sickens you but life begins at conception. Science says so.
Too bad that the definition of murder sickens you but the premeditated killing of another human is defined as murder.
Yes I support killing humans who have committed various crimes against humanity. Fetuses who have been aborted are not capable nor guilty of any of these types of offenses.

I agree.

I don't believe in any of the processes that you've mentioned.

It seems that it's not as clear as you state. I think that abortion is murder but I don't see the point in prosecuting "god" because the existance of such a being has not been proven.

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[quote][quote="WormChancellor: God allows miscarriages to strengthen the mother. [/quote]
Really?
Then why doesn't your deity inform its target for strengthening that she's pregnant? Spontaneous organic "abortions" occur at a far higher rate than do actual pregnancies with the would-be mother having no idea that a conception had happened. She just thinks that her period was a little heavier than usual.

This is not philosophy but theology. Have you read Augustine?
Then you can make a very strong argument that abortion is sacramental. The fetus-soul gets to spend eternity in absolute bliss without having to endure life and risk the chance to qualify for hell.
The R.C.s have just now come around to this opinion, too.
I take in you are not a Baptist.
According to most neuro-natologists, early term abortions are done at a time when the fetus does not have the functionality to experience pain. Late term abortions are typically done because the fetus is horrible malformed. Such abortions spare the would-be infant their short lifetime of pain. Abortion is not a "punishment."
Yes it is.
Humans in all societies have been making just this decision for thousands of years.
... and nowhere in your scriptures does your deity mention killing the fetus. You might be interested to know that the Hebrew society in which Jesus was reared held that the fetus was the property of the father and that deliberate damage to it by beating up the mother, by someone not the father, was only a tort claim.
It was common to leave newborns out in rural areas to die in the time of your Jesus. Do you find any condemnation of this practice in your tomes?
True.
But these great individuals (save Roosevelt) came about when their societies permitted abortion.