Guru
You did nothing of the sort. You misrepresented some fetal homicide statutes to serve your purpose. That has been show to you repeatedly, but as usual in your intellectually dishonest manner, you keep repeating it anyway.Originally Posted by Whaler17
The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." Isaac Asimov
Guru
A person (plural: persons or people; from Latin: persona, meaning "mask") is a human being, or an entity that has certain capacities or attributes associated with personhood, for example in a particular moral or legal contextBy that definition, not all persons are human beings, but all human beings are persons. Therefore, to logically separate the two in the abortion context, one would have to prove that a "zef" is not a human being.
Guru
The onus is on lifers to provide proof that a zef is a human being.
If I point to a rat and say .. That rat is a human being and so we should make a law giving it the rights of personhood .. It is up to me to prove that a rat is a human.
Guru
you have already been schooled on this, the onus is on you!
if all human beings were rats at one time, YES!
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Guru
Are you implying that fetuses at any time were considered human beings or persons? When, where and how did this manifest itself?
The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." Isaac Asimov
Guru
I have proven to you that they are right now, at both the federal and state level. You just cannot comprehend it somehow.
"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice, there is. "
"Not many people know this, but I'm really famous!"
"When the Electorate realizes they can vote themselves money from the Treasury, it will herald the end of the Republic." - Benjamin Franklin
Guru
No, you have misrepresented fetal homicide laws, but that was NOT the question. Let me clarify for you. Before fetal homicide laws, according to you, how were fetuses treated by the law?
The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." Isaac Asimov
Guru
Fetal homicide laws simply are what they are. I have QUOTED them, so I clearly did not misrepresent them. They recognize the personhood of a fetus, but more importantly so does a FEDERAL law, the Unborn Victims of Violence Act!
So your blowing off means nothing.
BTW, you now want to go back 40 years to determine whether or not a fetus is a person? Why not go back to pre slavery days to determine if African Americans are people then?
Last edited by Whaler17; Jul 05 2011 at 05:50 AM.
"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice, there is. "
"Not many people know this, but I'm really famous!"
"When the Electorate realizes they can vote themselves money from the Treasury, it will herald the end of the Republic." - Benjamin Franklin
Guru
....
All human beings were "great apes" at one time .. that does not make Great apes human.
Guru
Proof please!
"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice, there is. "
"Not many people know this, but I'm really famous!"
"When the Electorate realizes they can vote themselves money from the Treasury, it will herald the end of the Republic." - Benjamin Franklin
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