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[The legalizing of abortion promotes unprotected sex, and eliminates moral consequence.
As much as I agree for the most part, this sentence bothers me. The problem with this argument is that it emphasizes that children are a "consequence". Much of the demand for abortion, abandonment, and genocide is based on just that mentality.
I believe adoption should be made easier and more available, ALL states should have laws that allow for mothers to abandon a child with minimal hassle and maximum anonymity if they leave the child in a designated place (hospital, fire station, etc.) and agree to necessary testing. And I believe that policy should be made known. Also I think sex ed should be very comprehensive.
Only with all that do I expect illegalizing abortions to make any difference.
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My brother ended up adopting in China for lack of options here. I'd estimate that adoption ended up costing over $20K.
(*)(*)(*)(*) why are brats so expensive? And the way they eat it's like buying a car!
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If you think Abortion is wrong then YOU should adopt at least one Child. If you don't then your just Passing the buck!!!!!!!!
I love rash generalizations, it reminds me of myself when I first joined the forum. I've learned a lot.

The only thing from you post that applies to me is the fact that I would like abortion to be illegal. I Would be in favor of keeping taxes were they are if all the *beep***t extra taxes we pay were going to these kids. If I have the money and am in a position that would allow me to adopt a child and give it all the love and attention that it deserves, then I would.

The legalizing of abortion promotes unprotected sex, and eliminates moral consequence.

I know a women who had an abortion in college it has driven her to bad places. It haunts her every night as she lies in bed trying to sleep. She feels that she is a murderer. It has driven her to alcoholism, and then distanced her from her family she has now.

Abortion has a profound effect on the mental stability of a women.
My point is you don't have the money to take care of one child. Neither do most people. BUT they still need to be taking care of!!! WHO WILL DO IT FOR THOUSANDS OF KIDS?????????
Unprotected Sex has nothing to do with Abortion. There is plenty of Birth Control out there if People want it.
I know plenty of people who have Alcohol problems or drug problems, who didn't have a abortion. Your friends problem could be for a number of reasons.
ALL a WOMEN NEEDS to do to keep from having a Abortion is take a little responsibility and a Little Pill !!!!! To say the rest of society can't enjoy Sex because some people are not Responsibile is wrong. SEX is part of HUMAN NATURE.. IT"S not a SIN or a CURSE FROM GOD... IT is just part of being a HUMAN..........
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First of all, though I am 100% pro-life, I am not a conservative (I'm also against the war and the death penalty). As for your complaints about welfare cuts, I suggest that you learn the basics of economics before you imagine that major wealth redistribution is actually beneficial to anyone- even the poor. Your main argument is on even weaker ground. By your argument, everyone opposed to murder and rape should become a police officer. If they do not, then, they are (by your logic) hypocrites. There are many pro-life people adopting, which is a very good thing, but no, they are under no inherent obligation to do so. The obligation to take care of a child is, by default, solely that of those who conceived him or her, and the only people responsible for the killing involved in abortion are those who commit it. I have an obligation not to commit evil actions, but I am under no inherent obligation to prevent all other people from doing so (that is, as far as is possible, the job of the legal system when victimization is involved). Since abortion is far from victimless, moreover, it should not be legal.
Having stated that, striking at the root of this evil is best accomplished by ending all legal restrictions on adoption. All such restrictions, in my opinion, are assertions that children are property of the state. I strongly favor gay adoption as well. The government should never get in the way of such solutions, but blaming society's bystanders with a "why didn't you stop me?" attitude is an attempt to escape personal responsibility.
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My brother ended up adopting in China for lack of options here. I'd estimate that adoption ended up costing over $20K.
(*)(*)(*)(*) why are brats so expensive? And the way they eat it's like buying a car!
Thats just the start of it. The last estimates I looked at pegged the cost of raising a child (from birth through college) at $1million dollars.
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Thats just the start of it. The last estimates I looked at pegged the cost of raising a child (from birth through college) at $1million dollars.
You give all your time, money, heart and soul to a kid for 18+ years and what do you get in return? Right about the time you should be home free, you get grandkids. Oh well. I'm holding out for a Jaguar.
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First of all, though I am 100% pro-life, I am not a conservative (I'm also against the war and the death penalty). As for your complaints about welfare cuts, I suggest that you learn the basics of economics before you imagine that major wealth redistribution is actually beneficial to anyone- even the poor. Your main argument is on even weaker ground. By your argument, everyone opposed to murder and rape should become a police officer. If they do not, then, they are (by your logic) hypocrites. There are many pro-life people adopting, which is a very good thing, but no, they are under no inherent obligation to do so. The obligation to take care of a child is, by default, solely that of those who conceived him or her, and the only people responsible for the killing involved in abortion are those who commit it. I have an obligation not to commit evil actions, but I am under no inherent obligation to prevent all other people from doing so (that is, as far as is possible, the job of the legal system when victimization is involved). Since abortion is far from victimless, moreover, it should not be legal.
Having stated that, striking at the root of this evil is best accomplished by ending all legal restrictions on adoption. All such restrictions, in my opinion, are assertions that children are property of the state. I strongly favor gay adoption as well. The government should never get in the way of such solutions, but blaming society's bystanders with a "why didn't you stop me?" attitude is an attempt to escape personal responsibility.
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HAS ANYONE CONSIDERED THE FACT THAT PEOPLE DIE GIVING BIRTH- I 'M ONE THAT JUST CANT SPIT THEM OUT LIKE PUPS- UNTIL YOU CAN CARRY AND DELIVER THAT BABY FOR ME , AS WELL AS ADOPT IT - ILL STICK WITH ABORTION! TOO MANY CHILDREN WITH PROBLEMS AS IT IS! THEY ARE ALL RUNNING AROUND WITHOUT PARENTS NOWADAYS ANYWAY!
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My brother ended up adopting in China for lack of options here. I'd estimate that adoption ended up costing over $20K.
(*)(*)(*)(*) why are brats so expensive? And the way they eat it's like buying a car!
Thats just the start of it. The last estimates I looked at pegged the cost of raising a child (from birth through college) at $1million dollars.
$1 million cradle through college? How long ago was it that the price-tag was a "mere" $250,000 cradle through college?
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