Pro-abortionists lie everyday too. They too can't get their facts right. The thing is some pro-abortionist are lying to themselves, and don't want to face the facts.

It's the same thing, you just don't like it being called what it really is. It could be called pro-murder, as well.


The only person I see struggling to get her facts straight during this discussion is you.

This post was originally calling all us prolifers christian fundamentalists.
i am not a strong religious person but i try to live like a good person and help others who can't help themselves.
I really hope there is a God so that all you murderers will have to answer for what you've done since the government won't stop you.

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If by 'facts' you mean that a fetus is a human being, you would be wrong. Fact is, it isn't.

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Fact is it has human DNA what other species has human DNA. Fact is it is a person in the early stages of development. Fact is it is life within the womb. These are the facts it's time you face up to them.

What is it then, a goldfish?

Well, according to Sharon it is a clump of tissue that is an part of the females body.
Ya appartely a pregnant woman then had 2 heads, 4 arms, 4 legs, 4 eyes,and 2 torso's. Because it apparently is part of the woman.

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Fetus is not a human being, as it hasn't taken a breathe yet. It is a human, however. Human and human being are not the same, and neithor is pro abortion the same as pro choice. If they are the same, pro life is the same as anti choice.

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As much as I wish I could agree with you, I just can't. Human and human being are exactly the same thing. I think that's an ideology you have come up with yourself to justify your position on abortion. Which is fine. I've made up my own ideology about the nature of heaven and hell, too. It makes sense to me. But it probably isn't true.

In my anatomy scan a few weeks ago I saw my baby's head, arms and legs (including all the bones therein), eyes, nose and ears, bladder, kidneys, spine (each single verterbra), brain, corpus colosum, medulla, feet and hands, fingers, and all four chambers of her heart, beating away like a little champion. The ultrasonographer saw a lot more than I did, but she is supposed to.

Babies do breathe, as well. They don't breathe air - once they're born their respiratory system shuts down what they were doing in utero and switch over to actual `taking a breath' breathing. I only know this because the obstetrician explained to me that because of a medical condition I have, once born my baby might need help to make the switch.

Which brings me to my next point. You state that foetuses need intervention to survive if they are born early. This is true. Babies need intervention to survive once they are born - at full term. A baby without intervention is going to be a dead baby pretty quickly. They can't survive on their own. So your logic fails on that point, too.

Breathing air does not make us human. Our DNA, our development, our brain function and our physical appearance make us human. To suggest that we are not valid or viable until we have taken a breath is, I'm afraid, very naive and ignorant.

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If people around here ignored every idiotic post, you'd have no one to talk to.



OK, explain the difference.


Sure it is.


I'm OK with that. Women don't have the 'choice' to kill their children. Nice!

Ms. Tate, you are getting hung up on the word 'choice' as if any other option takes away freedom. It is a standard tactic of libs to come up with pleasant sounding words to disguise what something actually is.


Examples:

progressive That's a word that makes people feel like they are smarter than other people but what they really are is communists.

fairness doctrine It is the exact opposite of what it claims to be.

pro-choice Sounds good until you realize that the choice they are in favor of is murder.