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Old 03-18-2008, 02:41 PM
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Okay then. So tell me how a fetus is the same kind of life as your life or mine.
It's a human.
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There's no point in telling her once again. It's already been done and she'll just respond with the law says so. People like her only consider what they they have the ability to do, and what they can get away with. Never do they consider whether or not they should or what the consequences are.
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Now, I am what I guess you could call a conservative, and I was adopted at birth. My biological mother was 16 years old. I am 29 years old now, and met my biological mother and siblings about five years ago. They were exactly what I expected to see.

My biological mother (note that I keep calling her my bio mother, that is because she is not my mother) had just gotten out of prison because ten years prior she had been convicted of dealing meth (for the second time), my biological brother was still in prison for grand theft auto (he stole a car the week before he was due to ship off to basic for the Army, and had a long rap sheet before that, he was going to be a cook). Ricky has two children, both girls (want to guess at which profession they will take?).

My bio sister is now twenty years old. She has three kids, with one on the way. The father of two of her children is in a federal pen because he beat her (the two youngest). The father of her oldest is in Iowa, and she ran away from him in an attempt to get away from the drugs her mom pushed on her. The father to be is currently in holding for pushing, and child prostitution.

As I have said before, I am a Marine with a decade of time in sevice with a great career. BUT while the six direct grandchildren from my bio mother have almost ZERO chance at a productive life. My two children are doing well. I have helped my country, I have made my mother (My real MOTHER) proud, and have given my children a good start at life. Patrick (My oldest) has already surpassed his peers, and several grades above him. He is FOUR YEARS OLD (That means he is in PRESCHOOL). Imagine what the kid will be like later on. If he keeps on the path (and if we can keep him on that path)!

Now all of the above does not mean that I am against abortion. IF that mother does not intend on giving that child to a GOOD home, and intends on raising it by herself (please remember that MANY children do well from this type of household), then that child may be better off meeting the maker before it can make the mistakes life deals us.

But given a PROPER chance, it can succeed.

If you keep it (I call it, it because as a father, it is easier to think that way) then you may just be setting that child up for failure. That sir or madam. Is ON YOUR conscious. Kill someone, or set someone up for success.

Take it from someone that has been to Afghan twice Iraq twice, and several other places in between, and before. Killing is not too hard (it hurts, but it aint hard). BUT easy is never worth it!!

Make the choice yourself. But be willing to live with it


ME? I am all about natural selection.
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It's a human.
It may be human, but it is still not the same. I am not attached to another persons body. I do not feed of another persons body to sustain my life. I do not cause another person body to react to my being attached to it. I can breathe using my lungs etc.
A fetus may become the same person you and I are, but while it is in the womb, it is not the same.
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Ok. You've made your point on that one. Why does that make it ok to kill it?
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Ok. You've made your point on that one. Why does that make it ok to kill it?
Because it is attached to the mother, using her bodily nutrients to sustain it's life. I have stated this before, I believe.
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Yeah - I get that. But that makes it ok to you?
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I am not attached to another persons body.
I could could change that, do you look anything like you avatar?


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Yeah - I get that. But that makes it ok to you?
Yes, it does. That is my personal opinion. I believe that if anything is attached to you, whether inside or outside, and is using your body to keep itself alive, you have every right to remove it.
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Just out of curiosity, because I was thinking about this last night, I'm sure you realise that without help and constant care and attention, babies will die, also. Babies that have been born, that is.

Now, whether you are breastfeeding or not, the child is still `technically' relying on the mother to stay alive. Sure, some women abandon their kids but lets talk majority here.

For example, my baby (after it is born) will require round-the-clock care to survive. In that sense, it is completely reliant on me to live. Even if it isn't still attached to my body.

The dictionary definition of parasite is `an animal or plant that lives on or in another animal or plant of a different type and feeds from it'. I will be breastfeeding, therefore it will be feeding from me. But if I give it a bottle, it will also technically be feeding from me because I am giving it its food and without that it will die.

Does that make it ok for me to kill it?
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