I think I just need to remind everyone here of something, before you choose sides:

Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Now I know that some of you don't belive in God, and the devil, so you will find this all very amuzing. Let me give you permission ahead of time to laugh and ridicule. By all means. I can take it... really, I can. I have spent many years of my life, doing my best to ensure you have that right.

But for those of you who smell smoke, and see that the building is actually on fire. I would like to point you to a few fire exits:

Four Spiritual Laws
Some easy listening.
and my personal favorite:
Solid Evidence the Bible is what it claims to be.

For those of you who will already dispute this material and follow the links only to find type-o's, may I grant you, in advance, that you are way smarter than I am. I am not worthy to shine your shoes. You have it all figued out. There isn't any smoke, there is no heat coming from the next room. There isn't any thing to worry about. I know. I am sorry I suggested leaving. Please forgive me. Now if you will just step aside, I would like to go down these stairs real quick. Don't wait for me. I am too stupid to return. You just stay here and be smart.

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"I know no method to secure the repeal of bad or obnoxious laws so effective as their stringent execution." March 4, 1869, Grant's First Inaugural Address

Lord, I pray for this person. That you would be merciful to this person... Help this person to get to know you... Deliver this person from evil.

In Jesus name I pray.

Amen

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"I know no method to secure the repeal of bad or obnoxious laws so effective as their stringent execution." March 4, 1869, Grant's First Inaugural Address

Again, I am impressed with how you frame things. (Honest. Not being facisious here.)

I agree that collectively, we have too many people making people.

But, what you are saying is, better they die in the womb, than die in some famine riot, right?

Attention PEOPLE! Stop having sex, or making babie for a few decades. Okay? (Not likely to happen.)

So we are headed towards somewhat of a paradime. I think abortion is a National shame. I also think that unfettered baby making is a national shame. So what's the end game?

What we need is some kind of global pandemic, international disaster, or some big war... right? (not directed at you, but the subject matter)

Or why don't we just offer a death tax. We tax the elderly and infirmed 600% more than the rest of us, and if they don't pay, we take em to the place where they make soilent-green.

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"I know no method to secure the repeal of bad or obnoxious laws so effective as their stringent execution." March 4, 1869, Grant's First Inaugural Address

Hey, I leave your beliefs alone, you stop attacking mine. Focus on the Topic
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usgrant7, without the promise of a reward would you still be religious? if the bible offered no compensation for your devotion to its teachings, would you still follow? i know this is getting off topic but you seem like a pretty open religious person so ill take advantage to ask about this. so, what motivates you to be a christian, what beliefs do you possess that keep you in check according to your faith?

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No body has ever tried to determine that, since the pro-aborts won at the starting line from the infamous USSC decision - the issue, NEVER analyzed is moot for them, they don't care. And sorry, I don't recognize YOU as an authority on the subject.

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No proof, no arguments - you don't know what you're talking about, you have no credentials, your statement is meaningless.

"Only practical solution" - whatt?? Who knows what you're talking about?? Nobody. You make arbitrary assertions and refuse to rebut counter arguments. You're just talking to yourself.


YOU don't view the situation scientifically - you make bald assertions about "viability", link them to an abortion cutoff point with no convincing argument, while brushing past the onset of human life issue, and think you're being "scientific".

Didn't I just SAY I didn't know in the last post?? Do you get in a thread and just listen to yourself? Within ONE POST you distort my position. How can anyone debate with a person who does that?

Of all the (*)(*)(*)(*) nerve - I'M THE ONE WHO ASKED FOR A DEBATE INCLUDING SICENTISTS, remember?? One post ago??

You don't know what you're talking about - it's even been criticized by pro-abortionists.

Hello out there?? Any pro-abortionists who can at least read the opponent's post and keep even a feeble hold on coherence wanna debate?

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Blade: "more educated and literate people than Justabubba"

Justabubba: "that would include everyone"

http://politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=27847

My wife asked me why I picked her. She was expecting me to describe what was in it for me. Gee honey, you look like a knock-out (arm candy), you keep yourself fit, you have great hair and eyes, and I love the way you make me feel when we are together. (All of which is true, btw.)

However, I answered her like this: I was really impressed with how you give yourself to others. I wanted to be involved with a person who cared enough to make a difference. I wanted to help you, to be a better you, because I cared about the same things you cared about. And to be there to help you, was actually helping the people we both want to help.

God may lift me up to some place on high, or bring me low, to a place where I shovel cow poop for a living. Yet will I serve him. Because, ultimately it isn't what you do, but who you serve. And he owns it all. Its his playground. His rules. His property. Forgive me for just being smart enough (or foolish enough, depending on how you see it) to figure that out.

If I am wrong. Who even qualifies to judge my life? Some peacock deity from Iraq? LOL Nope. Ala? Nah... Vishnu? Moloch? Hades? No... Zeus?

If there is an after life, then I choose to serve the one who makes the rules in that place. If there is none, then I live in peace with all men and will return to dust with nothing to explain.

I am not close to being perfect, but I am confident that the Bible has a workable solution to that. One that makes perfect sense.

Ty - one of the best questions I have ever been asked.

And to stay on topic, that’s what motivates most evangelicals to oppose abortion. Because they believe it offends the one they serve, and is a crime against humanity.

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you done with your little tantrum there? youre well known on these forums for arguments that are full of conviction but no evidence.

"No body has ever tried to determine that"

if no one has ever tried, then it doesnt make much sense to oppose something because of data that doesnt exist, does it?

if no one has tried to know something, how can it be known then? unsurprisingly, youre making no sense here.

"Didn't I just SAY I didn't know in the last post??"

uh... i was talking about your suggested debate. read sloooowly.

"Of all the (*)(*)(*)(*) nerve - I'M THE ONE WHO ASKED FOR A DEBATE INCLUDING SICENTISTS, remember?? One post ago??"

only a conclusion based on science would involve provable hypothesis. it should be exclusive to scientists, not merely inclusive. this is the same backwards thinking that threatened to discredit science by juxtaposing it with religious belief on the intelligent design issue.

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Attack my beliefs all you want. Please! I am a big boy, I can take it.

To me, using the handle "antichrist" and using an upside-down cross as an avatar is like wearing a Cripps bandana at a Bloods convention, and being shocked that someone would immediately approach you, trying to pick a fight.

Please Mr. Christian, don't say anything about my choices. Let me choose to "tick off the God of the Universe" on my own. Don't bug me about it.

HA!

I am picking on your beliefs the same way I would pull you from the path of an oncoming bus. If I didn't really believe God is real, then I wouldn't even give two pink bunnies about what you do.

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"I know no method to secure the repeal of bad or obnoxious laws so effective as their stringent execution." March 4, 1869, Grant's First Inaugural Address

thanks for your response, but my question was assuming you knew there was no reward, no better afterlife or afterlife in general for that matter. playing it safe isnt really taking the position assumed in my question. plus, consider the fact that you can be a humble, benevolent atheist or agnostic as well.

ive researched the bible to understand this position and found nothing to support this argument. ive debated this with other christians, and all of their supporting scripture was taken out of context, meanwhile there are passages that go unmentioned, which can be seen as contradictory to this position. can you prove to me that the bible supports the antiabortionist position?

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