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all the questions on power and seeing the future were rhetorical, btw. it still makes no sense. god is aware of everything, past, present, future, yet we go through this charade to be judged later, supposedly. and if god created everything, hes also responsible for the flaws of his creations, how can god do no wrong if he created everything and wrong exists? that makes no sense whatsoever. if youre god is actually real, he sounds like a sadist.
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Secondly, I have no reason to believe anecdotal stories. You can claim to be the mythologized George Washington, but without evidence I have no way of telling whether or not you're just spinning up a convenient story. Births before the 32nd week are extremely rare and remarkably dangerous. I don't know of a single case where a child didn't have to spend the duration of their missed gestation process in critical condition. Nonetheless, I'll assume you're telling the truth ... In which case I point out that 1.) fetuses develop at different rates and 2.) crying and breathing are not a sign of high level cognitive abilities. As I started earlier Terri Schiavo could cry, but her mind was gone long before her body. Likewise, response does not indicate pain. The two are related but not the same thing. Indeed some evidence shows the cortex does not even develop to the point where babies feel pain like we do until after birth. I hope you realize to me the whole point of this conversation on pain doesn't rest on whether or not abortion should be criminalized, but rather if pain should be subdued with medicine. We kill animals who feel pain. I'm interested in intelligence.
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Considering your standard of evidence, your bias, and your logic, you will most likely find out that you are wrong, way too late. I pray that doesn't happen. (Is there a place to kick the dust off of my feet here?)
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Job 40:7 Gird up thy loins now like a man: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me. (Buck up, boy, I am going to ask you some questions.) 8 Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous? (Who are you to question the Lord your God?)9 Hast thou an arm like God? or canst thou thunder with a voice like him? (Are you even in my league?) 10 Deck thyself now with majesty and excellency; and array thyself with glory and beauty. (Can you create the galaxies and use them to adron yourself with?) 11 Cast abroad the rage of thy wrath: and behold every one that is proud, and abase him. (Can anyone stay your wrath with force?)12 Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low; and tread down the wicked in their place. (See into the hearts of men?) 13 Hide them in the dust together; and bind their faces in secret. (Make alive, make dead with merely your will?) 14 Then will I also confess unto thee that thine own right hand can save thee. (I can save you, and I can make whatever is your problem, better.)
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im still waiting for that great response. i have a feeling ill be waiting for a long time.
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Wink, wink... nod, nod...
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You have a pile of metal parts. The guy who designed the machine is in a remote area of the world. Your boss says that the designer left some instuctions and he wants you to put it together. If the designer left some really crappy instructions, and you can't put it together without some good instructions, what do you do? If the designer left some really good instructions, and there are people all around you who are getting it, and they put the machine together. Does it make sense for you to (*)(*)(*)(*) and moan because you don’t' like how the guy wrote the instructions. Or If the designer left some instructions, but he wants you to actually read them before you put the machine together, do you have the right to fuss if you can't put it together without reading the instructions? Does it help you to deny that the instructions are actually written by the designer? There are many more illustrations I could use, but you are smart, you can take it from here. My guess is that you don't like the way the machine was designed, you don't like having a boss, and if you were given a chance, you would try and run the place yourself. All of which will prevent you from getting it, even if I stood a flaming bush in your living room.
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