First dont get me wrong: I belive in birth control and keeping abortion legal early in pregnancy. However recently when doing a report on the issue, I discovered that most websites for individual clinics advertise with providing elective abortion services up to 24 weeks. I have heard about the methods and they are grusome but this isnt about how the abortion is performed, its just that abortion shouldnt be on demand at the point were the baby could survive outside the womb.

Recently, a little girl born premature at 21 weeks age was discharged from a hospital in florida and she is now thriving with her family.


The conservative party of England recently introduced a law that prohibits abortions at 20 weeks on except in the cases of fetal deformity. Note the conservative party in england is actually a liberal party on other issues.

What bothers me the most is that democrat politicians have there hands over their ears when it comes to limits on late term abortion. This concerns me as a Presbyterian democrat, because I feel forced to choose between voting for someone who will bring our soldiers home, and someone who will change a law that is affecting our society.

How is it that a woman who gives birth at say 22 weeks and throws her baby in a dumpster is charged with murder, yet a diffrent woman with a healthy baby can get an abortion at 24 weeks without any penalty.

Abortions this late are rare, but even so, there are sick people who will justify killing a healthy baby who can surive with medical help, that is why even if this happens rarley we still, as a society, cannot allow such horrors to go on without justice.

24 weeks does seem like an odd margin for purely elective surgery.
But one of the odd things about the alleged late-term abortions is that in (*)(*)(*)(*) near all cases they are not elective in the way that say an early term abortion is.
People picture these very indecisive women who just think at the last minute "Oh my god! I've got to terminate this pregnancy!" But the reality is usually women informed by the doctor that the baby has a very very low chance of survival. Usually to add to this the chances are extremely high that even if the baby survives it will have terrible, terrible problems that keep it from living any kind of life worth living and the mother will also likely suffer physical consequences that might even reduce her quality and length of life.
They're usually performed by an OB/GYN... so what puzzles me is why abortion clinics offer the service for that long... Do hospitals outsource now?

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of course there should be exceptions for the mothers health. But right now it is AVAILABLE electivley in the late term. In a perfect world women wouldnt get abortions that late but we dont live in a perfect world thats why there needs to be rules.

You have hit the nail right on the head - saying when life begins by fiat, which started with the utterly ridiculous pronouncement of the USSC in roe v. wade, has always been arbitrary. The determination of it has been political, not scientific. But that is the only reality that liberals dwell in - the political.

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There is no way to scientifically assess exactly what the shut-off point is for an abortion. It has always been a philosophical debate... as are pretty much all issues in politics. Scientific data can be used to bolster sides but in the end it is always a philosophical decision.

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Are you nuts?

Yeah, having NO LIMIT on LATE term abortion is a good thing...


Ok so what about killing a new born should a woman have a right to decide to kill a baby right after its born??? I guess its as you say, philosophical

I am not sure you understand just how stupid that sounded. killing a newborn and killing an unborn child are quite different. and while I will probably not be very popular for saying this, there is a very clear line on where the line should be drawn: Birth. That is when you become a person. Until then you are nothing.

I watch the discovery health channel all the time and on it they have a program about pregnant women in there third trimester who have health problems. The program also now and then shows pregnant women who have been in accidents and there baby has been injuried even though its still in the womb.

You should see how these doctors try so hard to save there little lives, so how can you say they mean NOTHING, why is it when anyone watches this program we consider these Doctors heros? Because they save children's LIVES! If these little babies mean NOTHING how come when a woman has a still birth it is considered tragic?

It is that life devaluing kind of mentality that fuels women who throw there babies in dumpsters! Because throwing a baby in a dumpster, and killing a viable baby are both INSANE things to do! I dont need a PhD to know that!

Give me a break. The noise ("debate" is too dignified a word) has never risen beyond the slogan level - the decision was arbitrarily made by a majority of old USSC judges based upon such an idiotic connection to law and logic that even some abortionists have criticized it. With the fait accompli in hand by the stroke of a pen of a few old men, feminazis have never even bothered to debate, focussing only on rallying the political support of clueless women with idiotic but unfortunately effective slogans.

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