I am not ignorant, I have simply done the research that others fail to do. Please don't compare me to some woman hating Nazi like Kuta, because I nothing like him.

The fetus breathes via the umbilical cord in the womb, it does not use it's lungs until birth. It's circulatory system changes entirely, this is a huge change. Breathing does not make a fetus human, you are right, but it does make a fetus a human being.

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Still persisting with that same rubbish then. Fair enough - your choice. But it doesn't make you right. It's kind of embarrassing actually, for a woman, to have another woman spout such nonsense and actually believe it. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but seriously, one day you are going to have the BIGGEST laugh at yourself.

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I am right - tell me how I am wrong? You asked what changes, and I told you. Unless you believe that we all continue to breathe through our belly buttons?
Pro lifers never make sense, and you are just one of them. I know what I am talking about, I have done years of research - all you people have done is look up some bull(*)(*)(*)(*) propaganda site full of misinformation and facts.

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You have done years of research? What, since you were 15 or so? Because you're only 24 now (which explains quite a few of your comments, I must say).

I'm not a pro-lifer in the sense that those who disagree with abortion on ALL levels for ANY reason are. I still condone abortion under certain circumstances and I still feel for the most part that it is the woman’s right to be able to make that choice. You see? That's called intelligent thought and considered opinion - not just some silly notion because some book or website somewhere says so.

I’m not an extremist about it, as you are, and therefore I don’t allow my actual intelligence to be clouded over by such preposterous notions as an imaginary difference between `human’ and `human being’.

Like I said – sometimes (in fact often) the law isn’t right. And like I asked you elsewhere, if the law changed and stated that unborn foetuses are also human `beings’ – what would happen to your belief system then? If the law changed to reflect their rights and to make certain abortions illegal, what would happen to your thoughts on the matter?

And FYI - I have never been to a pro-life website in my entire life. What a silly joke they are. My informed opinion comes from working in medicine, being pregnant and researching the facts about my pregnancy from a medical perspective, seeing the photographs that were taken from my own personal ultrasounds and seeing my own child on a screen in front of me - and seeing her fingers and toes and arms and legs and brain and kidneys and so on. From feeling her kick and feeling the way she moves to position herself under my hand whenever I place it on my stomach. From experiencing the something new that happens every week when you are pregnant - for which there is no `research' substitute.

My real-life experience runs rings around your `years of research' - and if you are so willing to stand by your research then please, post some links and some information where the rest of us can see for ourselves where you get your information and ideas from. Then you may not come off as such an ignorant nutter and you might have a bit more of a solid footing with your arguments.

You wil find when you have been on this forum a little longer that there are plenty of people as passionate about their beliefs as you, no matter how controversial or different or unique they are - only they are able to back up what they say with solid information and considered research. Once you can do that, you may regain some of credibility.

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Most people here are woman hating Nazis. That much I know. And yes, years of research. I knew what abortion was when I was a teenager - you mean you didn't? You know something else?

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Sharon Marie Tate: January 24 1943 - 9 August 1969
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Yeah, I disagree with fundamentalism on all levels. And you are very fundamentalist - even if you can't see it yourself. Which of course you can't, otherwise you wouldn't be one.

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No - but neither is everyone who is against abortion. You may have met a lot of opposition on this site - so did I when I first joined. Being a female Australian leftist isn't always easy here. But there are plenty of members who are not women-hating Nazis here - plenty. There are even one or two conservatives who are pro-choice (believe it or not).

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Right. You know that like you 'know' pro lifers never adopt children.

Perhaps you didn't see my post earlier:

I am curious as to why you seem so obsessed with this one issue? Without getting personal that is, why is it so important to you that abortion stay legal?

Secondly, I don't know if you are a fan of Sharon Tate, but choosing to use her name in a forum to debate a topic which I doubt you would know what her personal views were*, seems to me to be in poor taste. Especially if you consider the fact that she was eight and a half months pregnant when she was murdered.

* (tense correction)

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I can see your point, yes, and I have been debating over whether to register again with a more appropriate name. Possibly I will. Then again, I might leave you all in pro life heaven.

By the way, I am not a troll. (to the person who deleted Kutas post) Unless you are calling all pro choicers trolls, of course, which wouldn't surprise me because the majority here seem to be fanatical women hating Nazis.

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