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Old 10-18-2007, 05:02 AM
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Default The right to choose

I don't want to offend anyone, but I would like to hear everyone's take on this.

There have been numerous debates about abortion throughout the years. It's a touchy, emotional subject that no one likes to address. However, I am curious as to why men think that they should have say in what a woman chooses to do that will ultimately affect her health and well-being. Now don't confuse this comment - I'm in no way trying to sound sexist - I'm a male. The reason I think that regulations on abortion, if any, should be made by women, is because pregnancy has the ability to cause health conditions that can potentially be life-threatening. Wouldn't it make sense that the people (women) whose very lives could potentially be at stake should have the right to decide whether or not abortion should be legal? I just think it's hard for men to understand the situation since they'll never be faced with it.

What do you guys think?
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Old 11-16-2007, 09:12 PM
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Why do women have the absolute right to decide irregardless of what the male wants yet when the women decides to keep the baby then the male is responsible for ensuring the babies financial well being.
Where is the equality in that?
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Default The head of the family.

The man is the head of the family. Men and women are equal in a genral sense (mankind); however, each has a different role in the relationship. The woman carries the baby, but the man is the head of the family and has an equal if not greater moral role in this.
The bottom line is that I do not agree with abortion (murder). Now we have technology to see if the child developing has birth defects or if it will affect the health of the woman, child or both.
Before technology I would say that in no case is abortion a legal or moral act to undertake. Now; with technology, it may be acceptable to consider "abortion" if the child is going to have such severe birth defects it would be a terrible burden, or and ectopic pregnancy or there is a severe health risk to the mother and/or child. In any case I choose life; and if one of the above mentioned conditions exists both the mother and father must be involved in making such a critical decision.
I am pro-life and both should be involved in making any matter that involves killing a baby. By the way, life begins at conception, I am not Catholic, if that even matters to anyone. If anyone questons this I ask you when does the mass of cells become a living child and has "rights". What day, hour, minute or second; there MUST be a breakover point when this occurs for those of you who are pro-choice.
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~Snip~ There have been numerous debates about abortion throughout the years. It's a touchy, emotional subject that no one likes to address. However, I am curious as to why men think that they should have say in what a woman chooses to do that will ultimately affect her health and well-being.
Not everyone considers women to be something separate.
Heck, up until Terri Schiavo, men couldn’t kill people either.
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(First, FTR, I'm female, and undecided on abortion.)
Your argument seems to start with the assumption that fetuses don't have rights, which is what the abortion debate is all about. If you look at it another way, women only represent half the issue and, arguably, men should decide since they're less likely to be biased. I think it's something society as a whole should be involved in.
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The man is the head of the family. Men and women are equal in a genral sense (mankind); however, each has a different role in the relationship. The woman carries the baby, but the man is the head of the family and has an equal if not greater moral role in this.
Why?
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Default Coldsecond, very wise observation.

C.S. An excellent observation. If I may expand a bit, I think that many who write on this subject do not take in the totality of life, relationships, how God has set relationshps to be. I believe that men and women are equal, but have different and very unique roles in a relationship.
I believe that if an abortion (for justified reasons; i.e. health/life of the mother/fetus for example), then both who helped to create that life must be allowed to make the choice, as anguishing as it may be. I would hate to have to make such a terrible choice as to end a life. I am a fool before God and I cannot see beyond the end of my nose. In Gods eyes, there may be a reason; unknown to us at the moment, as to why a deformed child that is affecting the very life of the mother who carries him/her should be allowed to take one or both lives. Only God knows that; and that takes a extreme amount of faith.
How could a husband give up the life of his wife and child? Trust and love of God is the only reason I can see.
Since we have technology to tell us the conditions of the woman and child now, we make life and death choices based upon that. So, is technology a gift or horror? I do not know. All we can do is pray and ask God to guide us in our choices in these matters. Choose wisely and with love; but let God, father and mother come to that choice themselves.
I am but a fool in these matters since I am not a father. I share the best advice I can. Many of you who have had childeren; mother and father, who have gone through abortions (murder, in my view) and have families some; with children with terrible birth defects, have a far more experienced knowlege of this matter than I . So please, do not condem me too harshly if I seem a fool to you. What I share, I share out of love of God and mankind, young and old alike.
May God guide us all, grant us wisdom, forgiveness and love.
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Men should definatly have a voice in this question, because we are equally affected by it. Do we all not come from our mother's woum. What if your mutter decided to abort? I wouldnt have an intelligent person to debate with right now.
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Why do women have the absolute right to decide irregardless of what the male wants yet when the women decides to keep the baby then the male is responsible for ensuring the babies financial well being.
Where is the equality in that?
The woman bears all the risk.
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Men should definatly have a voice in this question, because we are equally affected by it. Do we all not come from our mother's woum. What if your mutter decided to abort? I wouldnt have an intelligent person to debate with right now.
Men don't have a say because they will never know what it is like to be pregnant.
I would not care if my mother decided to abort as it is her choice, not mine.
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The reason I think that regulations on abortion, if any, should be made by women, is because pregnancy has the ability to cause health conditions that can potentially be life-threatening.
if you can decide what's legal or not based on health risks, then why don't we also ban cigarettes and alcohol? while we're at it, let's ban junk food and sunlight!
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