Thread: Any lifer got the guts to debate me?

Here is a repost that I think relevent to this discussion.

I Find it interesting that most states have laws that its murder if you kill a unborn baby except for abortion. So , if someone were to kick a mother and as a result its murder but on the other hand if the mother decides to kill the baby is ok because in their minds its not a baby...WHAT?

A couple of examples

Ala. Code § 13A-6-1 (2006) defines "person," for the purpose of criminal homicide or assaults, to include an unborn child in utero at any stage of development, regardless of viability and specifies that nothing in the act shall make it a crime to perform or obtain an abortion that is otherwise legal.

Alaska. Stat. § 11.41.150 et seq., § 11.81.250 , § 12.55.035, and § 12.55.125 (2005) relate to offenses against unborn children. The law provides that a defendant convicted of murder in the second degree or murder of an unborn child shall be sentenced to a definite term of imprisonment of at least 10 years but no more than 99 years. The law does not apply to acts that cause the death of an unborn child if those acts were committed during a legal abortion to which the pregnant woman consented or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf consented, or for which such consent is implied by law.

Originally Posted by l4zarus

They may experiment at a young age--which btw does not necessarily include penile/vaginal sex--and so yes, to cover all bases sex education should be mandatory. I don't know why you have a problem with this concept; more sex education = less teen pregnancies(were both parties are actually teens) = less abortions.

What was probably said, that you didn't bother reading carefully, is something like teens who want to have sex will do it regardless. Practically and statistically speaking that's older teens, not 12 to 14 year olds, and certainly not 12 to 14 year old getting pregnant.

You also appear to


Keep in mind the incest factor in young teen pregnancies was recognized relatively recently.

There are far too many 12-14 year old girls getting pregnant, and even younger.

http://www.sexedlibrary.org/index.cfm?pageId=798

National Vital Statistics Report: Births to 10–14 Year Old Mothers 1990–2002: Trends and Health Outcomes

Source: Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)

Description: This article presents the national and statewide birthrates for
females ages 10–14. The data is categorized by age and race/ethnicity.

Key Statistics:

Over 97% of births to the youngest teenage mothers are to females ages 13–14.
In 2002, of the 7,315 births to females ages 10–14, 208 were to females ages 10–12 and 7,107 were to females ages 13–14.
Birth rates to the youngest teenagers varied by State and territory, ranging in 2000–2002 from 0.2 per 1,000 (Maine) to 2.0 (Mississippi and the District of Columbia).
The highest rates are in the South and Southwest.

Originally Posted by MegadethFan

I am sick of lifers running away from argumentation that specifically proves them wrong and from counter proposals that they find irrefutable. Abortion is entirely moral, lifers cannot prove this wrong. Is there any lifer in the entire domain of PF that has the guts to debate me on abortion and show how and why abortion is immoral/wrong?
If there is, I will create an abortion debate thread and we can settle this.

LMAO….you pro-aborts kill me….pun intended.

Sick of lifers???? LMAO Your a hoot.

Morals only matter to people with morals. So abortion is ok to you because you obviously can't tell the difference between right and wrong…there is no difference. You are a moral relativist. So abortion…probably rape…pedophelia, child porn, is ok for you. Right? My morals come from God and are set in stone….if you say you have them…you make them up to fit your lifestyle…so anything for that matter like I said could be moral.

I will debate you any time any place so bring it on pro-abort. And honey this is a debate site…..right here…are you running already?

Originally Posted by sec

nope, I am obviously below your intellect to even try

but, thankfully your mommy did not abort you so you could at least make this cool thread.

Maybe that was one mistake his mother made…..eh?

Originally Posted by MisLed

Then there's no point in a debate if you can't agree on terms.

And there lies the problem….the two sides can never find common ground because one sides sees killing as wrong and immoral and the other does not.

The thing is …the majority of people will agree….even pro-choice/aborts that abortion is immoral that it is wrong. That is why abortion is not talked about in many places. It is taboo. How many times have you ever heard of women talking about the abortions they had? Ever hear a women say…Cant meet ya for lunch next week gonna schedule an abortion? Or someone say…well the reason my daughter couldn't come to the party…she had an abortion that day and was not feeling good?
It does not happen…..for all the obvious reasons. I have been banned from three debate sites because I refuse to stop using the term pro-aborts to describe those who are pro-choice. There is no difference….only in the mind of the pro-abort who chooses to look away. How moral is that?

No people know what abortion is and does…and most will admit it is not moral. But the immoral act…..they believe should be legal. So there can be no agreeing on terms.

Originally Posted by MegadethFan

(*)(*)(*)(*) weak mate, (*)(*)(*)(*) weak.

See it is usually the people that have to resort to using profanity because they don't have anything else…and already….your doing it. LOL

You are here debating this because YOUR MOTHER GAVE YOU LIFE…..AND NOW YOU CAN BASH HER CHOICE RIGHT HERE….BY BEING PRO-ABORTION. LOL

Originally Posted by MegadethFan

So you are a moral relativist? The whole point of debate is to show that yours is the best morality - if you cant then it clearly isnt, hence you lose the debate.

Do you think rape is moral?
Do you think child pornography is moral?
Do you think pedophelia is moral?

If you say yes….then you prove what I said….you make your morals up as you go along….anything for you or anyone else.

If you say no….then who told you it was wrong? Do you agree and would be tolerant with someone who said they were all acceptable activities?

Originally Posted by diamond lil

Excellent. It's refreshing to meet someone who personally opposes abortion, yet has no intention of changing the law.



I don't believe it ever is murder, but I have no intention of forcing my opinion on you.

I find you pro-aborts…comical the way you think your actually moral. LOL

Wow….you can kill that eight month old baby in the womb……ILL JUST LOOK AWAY. I am pro-life……..

Yea right your NOT. NOT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM ARE YOU PRO-LIFE.

The Germans did what you pro aborts do…….look the other way and then think themselves good. LMAO

Originally Posted by marbro

Here is a repost that I think relevent to this discussion.

I Find it interesting that most states have laws that its murder if you kill a unborn baby except for abortion. So , if someone were to kick a mother and as a result its murder but on the other hand if the mother decides to kill the baby is ok because in their minds its not a baby...WHAT?

A couple of examples

Ala. Code § 13A-6-1 (2006) defines "person," for the purpose of criminal homicide or assaults, to include an unborn child in utero at any stage of development, regardless of viability and specifies that nothing in the act shall make it a crime to perform or obtain an abortion that is otherwise legal.

Alaska. Stat. § 11.41.150 et seq., § 11.81.250 , § 12.55.035, and § 12.55.125 (2005) relate to offenses against unborn children. The law provides that a defendant convicted of murder in the second degree or murder of an unborn child shall be sentenced to a definite term of imprisonment of at least 10 years but no more than 99 years. The law does not apply to acts that cause the death of an unborn child if those acts were committed during a legal abortion to which the pregnant woman consented or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf consented, or for which such consent is implied by law.

You are right our laws are not consistent. A woman who is pregnant on death row can't be executed….why? She is carrying another life.
So basically if you hire a hit on the child….its legal…anything else…you might pay.

Anyone who is pro-choice/abortion does not think life is sacred or special.

Not when they are content to look the other way, not when they don't want protection for the life started in the womb.