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    Here is a repost that I think relevent to this discussion.

    I Find it interesting that most states have laws that its murder if you kill a unborn baby except for abortion. So , if someone were to kick a mother and as a result its murder but on the other hand if the mother decides to kill the baby is ok because in their minds its not a baby...WHAT?

    A couple of examples

    Ala. Code § 13A-6-1 (2006) defines "person," for the purpose of criminal homicide or assaults, to include an unborn child in utero at any stage of development, regardless of viability and specifies that nothing in the act shall make it a crime to perform or obtain an abortion that is otherwise legal.

    Alaska. Stat. § 11.41.150 et seq., § 11.81.250 , § 12.55.035, and § 12.55.125 (2005) relate to offenses against unborn children. The law provides that a defendant convicted of murder in the second degree or murder of an unborn child shall be sentenced to a definite term of imprisonment of at least 10 years but no more than 99 years. The law does not apply to acts that cause the death of an unborn child if those acts were committed during a legal abortion to which the pregnant woman consented or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf consented, or for which such consent is implied by law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by l4zarus View Post
    They may experiment at a young age--which btw does not necessarily include penile/vaginal sex--and so yes, to cover all bases sex education should be mandatory. I don't know why you have a problem with this concept; more sex education = less teen pregnancies(were both parties are actually teens) = less abortions.

    What was probably said, that you didn't bother reading carefully, is something like teens who want to have sex will do it regardless. Practically and statistically speaking that's older teens, not 12 to 14 year olds, and certainly not 12 to 14 year old getting pregnant.

    You also appear to


    Keep in mind the incest factor in young teen pregnancies was recognized relatively recently.
    There are far too many 12-14 year old girls getting pregnant, and even younger.

    http://www.sexedlibrary.org/index.cfm?pageId=798

    National Vital Statistics Report: Births to 10–14 Year Old Mothers 1990–2002: Trends and Health Outcomes

    Source: Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)

    Description: This article presents the national and statewide birthrates for
    females ages 10–14. The data is categorized by age and race/ethnicity.

    Key Statistics:

    Over 97% of births to the youngest teenage mothers are to females ages 13–14.
    In 2002, of the 7,315 births to females ages 10–14, 208 were to females ages 10–12 and 7,107 were to females ages 13–14.
    Birth rates to the youngest teenagers varied by State and territory, ranging in 2000–2002 from 0.2 per 1,000 (Maine) to 2.0 (Mississippi and the District of Columbia).
    The highest rates are in the South and Southwest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegadethFan View Post
    I am sick of lifers running away from argumentation that specifically proves them wrong and from counter proposals that they find irrefutable. Abortion is entirely moral, lifers cannot prove this wrong. Is there any lifer in the entire domain of PF that has the guts to debate me on abortion and show how and why abortion is immoral/wrong?
    If there is, I will create an abortion debate thread and we can settle this.
    LMAO….you pro-aborts kill me….pun intended.

    Sick of lifers???? LMAO Your a hoot.

    Morals only matter to people with morals. So abortion is ok to you because you obviously can't tell the difference between right and wrong…there is no difference. You are a moral relativist. So abortion…probably rape…pedophelia, child porn, is ok for you. Right? My morals come from God and are set in stone….if you say you have them…you make them up to fit your lifestyle…so anything for that matter like I said could be moral.

    I will debate you any time any place so bring it on pro-abort. And honey this is a debate site…..right here…are you running already?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sec View Post
    nope, I am obviously below your intellect to even try

    but, thankfully your mommy did not abort you so you could at least make this cool thread.
    Maybe that was one mistake his mother made…..eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisLed View Post
    Then there's no point in a debate if you can't agree on terms.
    And there lies the problem….the two sides can never find common ground because one sides sees killing as wrong and immoral and the other does not.

    The thing is …the majority of people will agree….even pro-choice/aborts that abortion is immoral that it is wrong. That is why abortion is not talked about in many places. It is taboo. How many times have you ever heard of women talking about the abortions they had? Ever hear a women say…Cant meet ya for lunch next week gonna schedule an abortion? Or someone say…well the reason my daughter couldn't come to the party…she had an abortion that day and was not feeling good?
    It does not happen…..for all the obvious reasons. I have been banned from three debate sites because I refuse to stop using the term pro-aborts to describe those who are pro-choice. There is no difference….only in the mind of the pro-abort who chooses to look away. How moral is that?

    No people know what abortion is and does…and most will admit it is not moral. But the immoral act…..they believe should be legal. So there can be no agreeing on terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegadethFan View Post
    (*)(*)(*)(*) weak mate, (*)(*)(*)(*) weak.
    See it is usually the people that have to resort to using profanity because they don't have anything else…and already….your doing it. LOL

    You are here debating this because YOUR MOTHER GAVE YOU LIFE…..AND NOW YOU CAN BASH HER CHOICE RIGHT HERE….BY BEING PRO-ABORTION. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegadethFan View Post
    So you are a moral relativist? The whole point of debate is to show that yours is the best morality - if you cant then it clearly isnt, hence you lose the debate.
    Do you think rape is moral?
    Do you think child pornography is moral?
    Do you think pedophelia is moral?

    If you say yes….then you prove what I said….you make your morals up as you go along….anything for you or anyone else.

    If you say no….then who told you it was wrong? Do you agree and would be tolerant with someone who said they were all acceptable activities?

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    Quote Originally Posted by diamond lil View Post
    Excellent. It's refreshing to meet someone who personally opposes abortion, yet has no intention of changing the law.



    I don't believe it ever is murder, but I have no intention of forcing my opinion on you.
    I find you pro-aborts…comical the way you think your actually moral. LOL

    Wow….you can kill that eight month old baby in the womb……ILL JUST LOOK AWAY. I am pro-life……..

    Yea right your NOT. NOT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM ARE YOU PRO-LIFE.

    The Germans did what you pro aborts do…….look the other way and then think themselves good. LMAO

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    Quote Originally Posted by marbro View Post
    Here is a repost that I think relevent to this discussion.

    I Find it interesting that most states have laws that its murder if you kill a unborn baby except for abortion. So , if someone were to kick a mother and as a result its murder but on the other hand if the mother decides to kill the baby is ok because in their minds its not a baby...WHAT?

    A couple of examples

    Ala. Code § 13A-6-1 (2006) defines "person," for the purpose of criminal homicide or assaults, to include an unborn child in utero at any stage of development, regardless of viability and specifies that nothing in the act shall make it a crime to perform or obtain an abortion that is otherwise legal.

    Alaska. Stat. § 11.41.150 et seq., § 11.81.250 , § 12.55.035, and § 12.55.125 (2005) relate to offenses against unborn children. The law provides that a defendant convicted of murder in the second degree or murder of an unborn child shall be sentenced to a definite term of imprisonment of at least 10 years but no more than 99 years. The law does not apply to acts that cause the death of an unborn child if those acts were committed during a legal abortion to which the pregnant woman consented or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf consented, or for which such consent is implied by law.
    You are right our laws are not consistent. A woman who is pregnant on death row can't be executed….why? She is carrying another life.
    So basically if you hire a hit on the child….its legal…anything else…you might pay.

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    Anyone who is pro-choice/abortion does not think life is sacred or special.

    Not when they are content to look the other way, not when they don't want protection for the life started in the womb.

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