False Abortion Presumptions

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Originally Posted by MisLed

But, why is it wrong to kill an innocent human being? This is something lifers fail to explain or rationalize.

cause it's a BABY, INNOCENT by our standards? Precious life that has the right to LIFE?

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Then why does God kill so many?

up to 70% of fertilised ova do not implant or are miscarried in the first few days

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Originally Posted by Bowerbird

Then why does God kill so many?

up to 70% of fertilised ova do not implant or are miscarried in the first few days

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why do you think God is doing it?

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Originally Posted by MisLed

why do you think God is doing it?

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Could be mother nature - whatever

Whatever - what is you explanation for the 70% failure rate?

gotta link for it?

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Originally Posted by MisLed

gotta link for it?

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Yep!! Hmmmm - Wiki has the rate at 30-60% but the common quote i have seen elsewhere is 50 - 70%

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A related issue that comes up in this debate is how often fertilization leads to an established, viable pregnancy.[citation needed] Current research suggests that fertilized embryos naturally fail to implant some 30% to 60% of the time.[31][32] Of those that do implant, about 25% suffer early pregnancy loss by the sixth week LMP (after the woman's Last Menstrual Period), and an additional 7% miscarry or are stillborn.[33] As a result, even without the use of birth control, between 50% and 70% of zygotes never result in established pregnancies, much less birth.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beginni...cy_controversy

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Originally Posted by Bowerbird

Yep!! Hmmmm - Wiki has the rate at 30-60% but the common quote i have seen elsewhere is 50 - 70%



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beginni...cy_controversy

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I don't see what is so startling about these figures. Does that 'failure rate' include sexually INactive girls and women? And when you get right down to it, how do these authorities come up with these figures? How could they possibly know such a thing. Oh i see. It says 'suggest'. That's a far cry from actual undeniable facts.

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Originally Posted by diamond lil

It's inside her body.

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So? If I eat a key to a car, does that make it my property henceforth?

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Originally Posted by diamond lil

because that's what happens, isn't it?

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No, it isnt.

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Originally Posted by diamond lil

Of course it makes it logical and rational.

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A logical argument, symbolism does not make.

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Originally Posted by diamond lil

It can be cuddled, kissed, smacked, thrown across the room, smelt, seen, heard, examined, help up by one leg, moved from room to room and so on and so forth.
Just as you and I could be.

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You didnt answer my question. What's so special about being detached from your mother literally?

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Originally Posted by MisLed

I don't see what is so startling about these figures. Does that 'failure rate' include sexually INactive girls and women? And when you get right down to it, how do these authorities come up with these figures? How could they possibly know such a thing. Oh i see. It says 'suggest'. That's a far cry from actual undeniable facts.

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Admittedly that is an estimate and it goes across all women, all ages

It is an estimate because we do not know exactly how many failures there really are but the high side comes from IVF studies while the low side is "best guess"

There are a LOT of factors affecting implantation - which is why some authorities suggest making conception be equal to implantation

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Originally Posted by dadoalex

A human fetus is no more a "human being" than a human liver is a "human being."

To say otherwise is to say a caterpillar, cocoon, and butterfly are the same and whether that is your intent or not the result is to tilt the conversation.

If you want a link I suggest you look up human and fetal physiology. Till then
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetus

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You have missed my point entirely. Let me put it this way, is the fetus a human/ is it human?

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Originally Posted by MisLed

But, why is it wrong to kill an innocent human being? This is something lifers fail to explain or rationalize.

cause it's a BABY, INNOCENT by our standards? Precious life that has the right to LIFE?

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Why does it have a right to life? THIS is the question.