You don't know what you're talking about. Abortion was legalized when the USSC "discovered" a previously unheard of "right to privacy" in the ninth and 14th amendments by very shakey reasoning, and then compounded their illogic by saying that such a right implies a right to kill fetuses.

Nonsense - a newborn is exactly as dependent as a fetus, and will die without help.
Of course, I said nothing of the kind. You are as free to have sex as you are to drive a car, but when you drive a car, you are entertaining legal risks for which you will be held responsible, the same with sex.
A fetus brought into existence by YOU is the same thing as someone trying to kill you? Yaaaaa surrrrre - great logic.
Because a of a bad USSC decision, just like segregated schools used to be legal because of a bad USSC decision.
Pro-life demonstrators haven't "abused" anyone.
So you're making a death list, and checking it twice, of who should be killed? Will more be added to your death list in the future? The very old? The severely retarded? The severely handicapped?

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You're actually right - I don't care what her "reason" is - it should be illegal.

Yes - because - of - a - BAD - USSC - decision - that - will eventually - be - overturned. You'll be all enthusiastic about legality when that happens??
Sex slave? Whaaaaattt? On the contrary, when she has sex, she is risking pregnancy - it's simple. Want zero risk of becoming pregnant? Have your tubes tied.
Exercising their right to free speech in a democracy? Oh the horror!


They are dramatically trying to cut through the feminazi brainwashing and make it clear to her what she is about to do.

Who is next to be "defined" out of the human family by you? You give no reasons and no arguments - you recite pro-abortion cant like a robot.
I got your point with precision - you said fetuses should be killed because they might be unhappy.
Now you're sounding Orwellian: black is white and up is down. The reasons most cited by women for abortion are all selfish: it's "inconvenient" or "financially difficult" or "wrong gender" etc etc etc.
There is always adoption - someone will care for them.
Sorry, I don't believe you have a crystal ball that will predict such things.

Eg, from the CDC:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad306.pdf
indicates there must be millions of women in the 18-44 age bracket who want to adopt.

I commented based on the plain english meaning of what you said. You say foolish things, and then try to back out of it by saying I didn't understand you.
No, that's the clever evasion used by feminists to distract millions of simple-minded women from the REAL issue: is a fetus a live human being. The reason they switched the issue is because they coudn't in a million years deal with the real issue.
Nobody cares about YOUR BODY ONLY. You can jump off a cliff with YOUR BODY ONLY, and I'll be happy to give you a push.
You go from the erroneous to the vile, hardly stopping for a breath - you reduce the fetus to a "thing", to a piece of property - disgusting.

Fetuses THREATEN you just by EXISTING? Now you sound insane.

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I assume you do not believe people should be killed unless they have committed a crime, correct? Would you say a person has that right?

Since you are advocating that a fetus can be killed even though it has done nothing wrong, I can only assume you do not consider it a person.

If it isnt a person, it's an object. Something that is owned. Like a chair or a pet.


Really? So it can feed itself?


Re-read my quote above. No, that was not what I was asking.


It is an object by default if it is not a person. Objects are owned. People are not.



Why?



What is to consider? It's not a person, right?



I know what I've heard women claim their reasons for abortion were.



White supremacists disagree with you. Just as you disagree with me that unborn children are people.


Pedophiles engage in an act which everyone else finds offensive, but which they do not. That is the parallel.


So anyone in an old-age home needs to be terminated if they cannot walk or feed themselves. Correct?


A newborn infant will die if it is not cared for. That is hardly independent.


Arent you in favor of free speech? Why should the woman care if people call her a baby killer if she is secure in the knowledge that she is not killing a person? I don't feel any guilt at all when Peta tells me I am murdering by eating meat. Thats why I don't have a problem with them protesting.



Then why did you bring it up at all?


No one is claiming the woman should not be able to control her own body. The fetus is not her own body.



Then why did you bring up the examples of deformity or whatever at all? You just said it doesn't matter either way. So why bother bringing it up?



So if a mother wants to terminate her 2 day old newborn, could she make the same argument? That its not your place to interfere?



So in the case of conjoined twins, which one owns the other?



You forgot to add "it's own brain". I dont agree that it is irrelevant.



Explain to me how a 9 month fetus is not sentient, but a 1 day newborn is sentient. I thought your only criteria was independence? Why are you bringing up sentience now?


Why? It is not murder if it is attached to her, but it is murder if it is not attached? Being unattached is all that makes it a person?



Why are they feeling guilt if the fetus is so obviously not a person?


Technically, they do have a choice. Right? Abortion is legal. And it is obvious the fetus is not a person, right? So isn't it irrational to allow yourself to feel guilt just because some protesters call you a killer?



Peta seems to think otherwise.

But you illustrate my point. I recognize the absurdity of feeling guilt over it. So it has no affect on me.

If the women feel guilt over what they are doing, maybe there is a reason for it. Maybe its not quite so obvious that the fetus is not a person.

(and, btw - Fetus's do feel pain. Nerves are fully formed by the time of birth)



Then you'll have at least one thing in common with them.



So the children of poor people should be aborted. Whats next? Racial abortions? People in China are already aborting based on gender.

Again, this shouldn't bother you anyway, since you've already said that the mother can abort for any reason or no reason at all, right? If she wants to abort it because it has the wrong color eyes, who are you to interfere?



There might be...do you have statistics to the contrary?

All we know for certain is that the current demand exceeds the current supply. So the argument that those children will not have homes is ridiculous.

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WOw i opened this debate and withing 30 seconds i can tell that Sharon tate is the most ignorant person in her. You said a fetus is a human but not a human being. Wow, i am really starting to think that being pro-choice is a mental disability. It sickens me.

A fetus is a person, watch an abortion and tell me then look me in the eye and tell me that fetus can't feel anything. Their whole body goes into cramps and you know full well that it hurts. I wish I had some way to just "abort" everyone who is for it. I hope all you idiots realize that you are only here because your parents weren't as horrible of people as you.

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I have no intention of watching the Silent Scream video, so don't even suggest it. No fetus feels pains when aborted, and if did your research, instead of relying on pro life websites, you'd get educated and know this.

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o would i really. Where is your info that they feel no pain because i have seen it. The fetus was in extreme pain. Your information is flawed and you are violently killing a helpless baby. I honestly don't know how you sleep at night. I hope you feel stong killing someone who can't defend themselves.

If i stuck scissors in your neck and ripped out your brain you don't think your nerve endings would feel it? O wait, maybe i could put your whole body in a saline solution and watch your acidicly burn to death and then say it didn;t hurt you. WOW.

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Depends on the crime.

It matters not whether it has 'done something' or not. It is in the womans body.

By 'independant' we mean it can breath independantly.

You honestly believe women walk into abortion clinics everyday and don't give a thought to what they are doing, and how it will affect them>

Whatever the reason a woman aborts, has nothing to do with you.

If you read a law book, it will tell you that a fetus is not a person.

I did not say that. They can breath on their own, they are still independant.

A newborn infant can breath on it's own, this is what is meant by being independant.

I have no problem with free speech, but not when it borders on abuse.

It is inher body for nine months, she has the right to decide whether or not it stays there.

Some people would worry about such things. Some people would abort if their child was suffering some sort of deformity.

You twist my words once again.

A fetus starts to become sentient around the 24th week. But despite this, nothing changes. It is still inside the mother, and still relys on her for nourishment.

Yes, being unnatttached makes it a person.

You are obviously cold hearted if you think women give no consideration to their choice to abort.

No, it's offensive because women should be able to obtain an abortion without being abused.

There sometimes is a reason, no woman makes the decision to abort lightly.

Despite this, nothing changes.

China is not Australia, or the United States.

Do you? I will search for some.

Statistics?

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Saline abortions haven't been performed in years. The 12 week old fetus in TSS video does not feel pain - the video has been speeded up to make it look like the fetus is 'running away'. A 12 week old fetuses pain receptors have not even begun to develop yet, and medical science tells us a fetus of that gestation cannot feel pain.

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How did you determine that?



Oh the irony.

Please post your evidence that a fetus is incapable of feeling pain.



It matters in this context, because you are claiming you do not consider it an object.



So your only criteria for being a person is the ability to breathe independently?



If what you are saying is true, they are irrational to be concerned, since the fetus is just an object they own anyway.



Pedophiles claim the same thing when I try to stop them from having sex with children.



The law used to say that blacks were not people too. Things change.



So if they are hooked up to a respirator, they are no longer people?



Ok. So anyone hooked up to a respirator is no longer a person. Got it.



When does it stop being free speech and start being abuse?


I disagree.



But you wouldnt...so why bring it up at all? You are advocating the right to abort for any reason or no reason at all. Correct?


How are they being twisted?

You made the claim that because the fetus is attached to the mother, the mother owns it. Conjoined twins are also attached to each other. So I am asking you which one owns the body.



So sentience means nothing to you anyway with regards to what makes a person. So why did you bring it up?


so Conjoined twins are not people in your opinion. Ok.



I am not the one killing a child for my own convenience. You openly admit the fetus is sentient, yet you still don't have a problem killing it.



What constitutes abuse? If I call you a name I am abusing you?



Sure it is. At least in that context. There are no laws in the US preventing a woman from aborting a child because of Gender.

Would you really have a problem with someone in the US aborting a child because it is the wrong gender?

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